Which Leader Was Worse????????

Joseph Stalin, during his reign killed approx. 27 million jews, gypsies, disidents and anyone who seemed remotely against his regime. Adolf Hitler killed approx. 6 million. In your opinion, which world leader was worse????????

If you don't feel that the 27 million dead figure is correct for Stalin, then state how many people you think he really killed.

My vote goes to Stalin.

[diver]

I think both were evil as all hell.

But Hitler was worse. He killed 6 million jews in a much shorter time period than stalins reign. AND he started WW2 which killed tens of millions more.

[Marhkimov]

Both are equally evil in my opinion...

How can the amount of people dead have any effect on "evilness"? Numbers are irrevelent... Dead is dead.


But since I had to choose one, I picked Hitler.

[Torplexed]

There is really no answer to the question which was more evil, Hitler or Stalin? Stalin’s legacy, by the weight of time, has proved harder to offload. But both men defy moral measurement. Hitler certainly inflicted more damage in a shorter amount of time. Plus, he is viewed more dimly in the West because he came to power through democratic means and with popular support which Stalin never enjoyed. Everyone is afraid it'll happen again.

However, there is much evidence that Mao in China was the greater mass-murderer. At least in second place. I'll have to sit this one out. Choosing between the three is like choosing between cancer, AIDS, and Ebola.

[CCIP]

As much as I'm not a fan of Stalin, I'd like to remind you of the fact that ~6 million is not where Hitler's toll ends. A good 10 million Germans, 27 million Russians, and an assortment of people of other nations have died in World War II which, without a question, would not have occured without him.

As far as Stalin, I would raise the figure, too. I'm not sure where you got the ~27 million, but the issue is incredibly shady and could easily go as high as 40 or more.

Which one would I rather live under? I don't know. My entire family has lived through Stalin's regime and Hitler's war; just barely avoiding persecution during Stalin's times (and after!). One of my ancestor's died directly as a result of the actions of Germany and Finland (starved to death in Leningrad). If Hitler got his wish, I wouldn't be here because my grandmother had a Jewish last name.

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Both of them have huge repercussions for today's world, but whereas Hitler's actions have a more direct effect on the whole world, Stalin's legacy is painfully alive in Russia - and I would argue is the main factor that is destroying that country right now.

For most people though, it should be Hitler. Trust me when I tell you this - Stalin really didn't play a role in your lives if you're not Russian/Soviet/Soviet block. Move along, folks. :hmm:

[Deathblow]

They both stunk. Both capable of the same level of debauchery imho. Its just a matter of who had the most opprotunity to do their evil deeds.

[TteFAboB]

Originally Posted by CCIP

For most people though, it should be Hitler. Trust me when I tell you this - Stalin really didn't play a role in your lives if you're not Russian/Soviet/Soviet block. Move along, folks. :hmm:

Cold War?!

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"Worse" is a highly relative and subjective term, not only are they both ranked very high in the worst men to ever walk on earth list, but they struggled hard to be worse than each other, if I try to count points I'd probably choose Stalin, but I will not vote for either because they were nemesis afterall, even though they shared so much in common, I prefer not to select one under this question.

If by worse you mean who killed more people, then Stalin wins and even more if I include his puppets and what has been done under his direct or even indirect influence, nazis weren't nearly as successfull as stalinists in the end, but like the man himself said, One death is a tragedy; a million is a statistic, and not only is it difficult to calculate the proper death toll number but the deaths in these massive statistics become nothing but a number, how, why, when and who are abstracted for the most part, you can't hurt or kill a number.

[Marhkimov]

A life is a life right?

You can't really say that a killer who killed 1 person is less worse than someone who killed 2.

The ONLY conclusion that you can make is that 3 people are dead, and 2 are on trial.

[kiwi_2005]

Mr Mac Donald is the worse out there, he has caused 1 billion and counting people that have become addicted to junk food and will slowly kill themselves, and there children because they eat that sh*t

[Torplexed]

Originally Posted by kiwi_2005

Mr Mac Donald is the worse out there, he has caused 1 billion and counting people that have become addicted to junk food and will slowly kill themselves, and there children because they eat that sh*t

That's just a krock.

Ray Kroc that is...he's the real Ronald McDonald.

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by CCIP

For most people though, it should be Hitler. Trust me when I tell you this - Stalin really didn't play a role in your lives if you're not Russian/Soviet/Soviet block. Move along, folks. :hmm:

Did you overdose on twinkies?

[CCIP]

Comparatively speaking, perhaps. The image of Stalin is a little overplayed in the West as compared to his worldwide influence. He was far more internally-oriented than the West might like to assume.

The Cold War is a little beyond Stalin I think, especially in terms of its spread and development beyond Europe - where it would get hot, and so forth. And arguing whose fault the whole thing was would be a bit more difficult than, say, whose fault the Holocaust had been. I'd say Stalin isn't significantly more to blame than, say, FDR/Truman or Churchill, although he's clearly not the nicer of the bunch :hmm:

[Happy Times]

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...le.asp?ID=3332

[CCIP]

Part of that article I agree with, part I do not. It's written from a very Western perspective that's, as illuminating as it is on the horrors of Stalin and the failure to see the legacy of Stalin in proper light, also ignores many nuisances and realities in both modern Russia and the USSR of the past. From that, I can tell you that the West fared no better than the former Soviet people themselves in figuring out Stalin's legacy.

The last point of the article illustrates this amply. I even had relatives among the original Bolsheviks, but I still feel no need to apologize personally. The situation is far more complicated than people might want to think. It also illustrates the West's blind determination not to see Russians (as a nation) as victims. I'd like this recognized by the West, but I'm afraid I never will see that day.

[Kapitan]

hitler was a saint compaired to stalin