We do not want StarForce in SH4!!!

Zachstar · 12-16-05, 07:48 PM

Let your voice be heard if you agree that SF has been nothing but bad for UBI and SH3 then say it here.

The goal is to let UBI once and for all we no longer support this type of guilty until proven innocent scheme SF does. We no longer accept the damage it does to our drives.

And on and on

Post as little or as lot as you like but let us be heard! NOW is the perfect time to let them know how we fell before production begins.

goldorak · 12-16-05, 08:14 PM

I agree 100% with you, I didn't buy nor played SH III because of Starforce 3.
It was a real pity I had to pass on this excellent game, but thats the way it is.
Lets hope Ubisoft sees their customers in a more positive light for SH IV otherwise I'll continue regretfully to not buying nor playing SH IV.

As for those that condone the use of starfoce protection, it acts in exactly the same way as malware software.
Think of Sony rootkit and on the same level (a little little bit less intrusive) you have Starforce.

CCIP · 12-16-05, 08:20 PM

Noone wants SF anywhere. And I still wager that, unless Starforce the company suddenly cracks and goes down, there's at least a 90% chance we'll still have to deal with it.

It's not gonna affect my own decision, since it didn't affect my PC, but I know for a fact a lot of people are going to be turned off SHIII by starforce.

For a game without mass popularity, like SHIII, starforce really hurts sales. I wish Ubi would realize that.

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But one thing to emphasize - please don't associate SF with the development of SHIII/IV and/or the Devs. Having no influence whatsoever over this aspect of the game, they shouldn't have to hear about it. When we get to the 'wishlist' stage, please don't pester the devs about SF. :hmm:

Marhkimov · 12-16-05, 08:22 PM

OT, but nice sketch CCIP... Did you draw that?

and boo to starforce.

goldorak · 12-16-05, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by CCIP

But one thing to emphasize - please don't associate SF with the development of SHIII/IV and/or the Devs. Having no influence whatsoever over this aspect of the game, they shouldn't have to hear about it. When we get to the 'wishlist' stage, please don't pester the devs about SF. :hmm:

You are wrong on this respect, its the same thing as saying that music artists should only concentrate on music and letting the music companies decide what kind of copy protection to put on the artists cd.
Protections which can cripple computers.
Now at least in the music industry after Sony rootkits fiasco, artists are starting to listen to their customers and have begun to discuss copy protection issues with the music labels.
The same thing has to happen in the videogames industry.
Developers cannot ignore the problems copy protection has on customers pc's and they (the developers) should have a say on what kind/and or what level of copy protection their publisher should put on the final cd.

CCIP · 12-16-05, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Marhkimov

OT, but nice sketch CCIP... Did you draw that?

Yea.

In memory of my long WaW career I lost yesterday *sniff*

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You are wrong on this respect, its the same thing as saying that music artists should only concentrate on music and letting the music companies decide what kind of copy protection to put on the artists cd.
Protections which can cripple computers.
Now at least in the music industry after Sony rootkits fiasco, artists are starting to listen to their customers and have begun to discuss copy protection issues with the music labels.
The same thing has to happen in the videogames industry. Developers cannot ignore the problems copy protection has on customers pc's and they (the developers) should have a say on what kind/and or what level of copy protection their publisher should put on the final cd.

I'm not saying they should ignore it. And they'd have to be pretty stupid not to be aware of the problem. What I really meant is that we shouldn't get 50 threads of "Devs please don't put starforce in the game!" Realistically speaking, they're under Ubi's contract, not the other way around, and it's Ubi that we should really complain about.

Otherwise, hey. I'd sign any serious petition to Ubi agaist Starforce without a second thought

Strangely, a lot of popular new games don't use any protection at all, from what I observe. :hmm:

Marhkimov · 12-16-05, 08:30 PM

That's a beautiful drawing. Great job!

goldorak · 12-16-05, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by CCIP

Strangely, a lot of popular new games don't use any protection at all, from what I observe. :hmm:

And the real deal is that those games are selling very very well.
Sure you find them on the various p2p but people still buy them because they want to support the developers.
I know that I respect and support a Developer/Publisher which doesn't treat it customers as criminals.

MarkShot · 12-16-05, 09:12 PM

Since SH3 came out and got me interested in WWII subs ... I bought CAOD, SH1, SH2, and paid to download SH2 mods from Subsim. However, I did not purchase SH3 nor will I purchase SH4 if it has Starforce. If it means that I am still playing AOD in 2010, then fine. Or if newer computers cannot run the older games, then fine. I have drawn the line on acceptable behavior by a game developer/publisher and will live by those principles.

Zachstar · 12-16-05, 09:44 PM

What yall can do to help is put some sort of NO! StarForce IN SH4 image or text into your sig.

You dont have to use mine matter of fact I think mine sucks and hope the artists here make much better ones.

Ya it does seem copy projection is starting to fall out. I guess it finally hit you cant stop copying by using the ole "Guilty till proven Innocent" scheme.

Lets hope to see massive sales of SH4 that is clean of SF or any of this malware.

Oh nice fact about the sony rootkit. Nice to see thugs exposed like this.

JohnnyPotPie · 12-16-05, 10:36 PM

ok starforce does damage to my drive? WTH!!!

Zachstar · 12-16-05, 11:30 PM

uhh ya ever notice how your drive revs alot when its being checked? May be different on yours but its does serious reving on only one disc when it is loading SH3 yes thats the SH3 disc itself.

This checking means you leave the disc in the drive. (when you are really into it sometimes you leave it in the drive all the time) Windows reads it every so often so if you leave media in there it is running it.

Drives can only rev so much before they die. Ive gone through a few this way. I play SH3 rarely in order to reduce damage to my already crippled from SF (theroy not proven just yet) DVD writer drive

Drebbel · 12-17-05, 07:10 AM

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Post as little or as lot as you like but let us be heard! NOW is the perfect time to let them know how we fell before production begins.

Perfect time ?? Why, including starforce takes almost no effeort, can be decided at the last moment before the making of the dvd's starts, could be as litle as a week.

Oh, and I am not against StarForce, it is UBI's right to protect their property, but do hope they will sove the problems that various people seem to have.

Type941 · 12-17-05, 07:36 AM

not only does it cause problems for many users, but Starforce staff replies to problems were nothing short of disgusting snobbish arseholes, and I don't want them associtated with this game.

Sidenote: I've just hit my cool 1000 posts mark and avatar has changed!

Richard Zapp · 12-17-05, 08:59 AM

NO STARFORCE!

Starforce made my CD-RW drive not read blank CD's.
It has since been replaced with a 2nd DVD-RW.

12-16-05, 07:48 PM	#1
Zachstar Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shreveport, Louisiana Posts: 1,956 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	We do not want StarForce in SH4!!! Let your voice be heard if you agree that SF has been nothing but bad for UBI and SH3 then say it here. The goal is to let UBI once and for all we no longer support this type of guilty until proven innocent scheme SF does. We no longer accept the damage it does to our drives. And on and on Post as little or as lot as you like but let us be heard! NOW is the perfect time to let them know how we fell before production begins. __________________

12-16-05, 08:20 PM	#3
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Noone wants SF anywhere. And I still wager that, unless Starforce the company suddenly cracks and goes down, there's at least a 90% chance we'll still have to deal with it. It's not gonna affect my own decision, since it didn't affect my PC, but I know for a fact a lot of people are going to be turned off SHIII by starforce. For a game without mass popularity, like SHIII, starforce really hurts sales. I wish Ubi would realize that. * But one thing to emphasize - please don't associate SF with the development of SHIII/IV and/or the Devs. Having no influence whatsoever over this aspect of the game, they shouldn't have to hear about it. When we get to the 'wishlist' stage, please don't pester the devs about SF. :hmm: __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet** (aka Captain Beefheart)

12-16-05, 08:22 PM	#4
Marhkimov Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Location: Bay Area, California, USA Posts: 2,377 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	OT, but nice sketch CCIP... Did you draw that? and boo to starforce. __________________ It takes two to tango

12-16-05, 08:30 PM	#7
Marhkimov Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Location: Bay Area, California, USA Posts: 2,377 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	That's a beautiful drawing. Great job! __________________ It takes two to tango

12-16-05, 09:12 PM	#9
MarkShot Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,134 Downloads: 93 Uploads: 0	Since SH3 came out and got me interested in WWII subs ... I bought CAOD, SH1, SH2, and paid to download SH2 mods from Subsim. However, I did not purchase SH3 nor will I purchase SH4 if it has Starforce. If it means that I am still playing AOD in 2010, then fine. Or if newer computers cannot run the older games, then fine. I have drawn the line on acceptable behavior by a game developer/publisher and will live by those principles. __________________ War games, not wars! --- Only a small few profit from war (that should not stand)!

12-16-05, 08:14 PM	#2
goldorak Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,320 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I agree 100% with you, I didn't buy nor played SH III because of Starforce 3. It was a real pity I had to pass on this excellent game, but thats the way it is. Lets hope Ubisoft sees their customers in a more positive light for SH IV otherwise I'll continue regretfully to not buying nor playing SH IV. As for those that condone the use of starfoce protection, it acts in exactly the same way as malware software. Think of Sony rootkit and on the same level (a little little bit less intrusive) you have Starforce.

12-16-05, 09:44 PM	#10
Zachstar Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shreveport, Louisiana Posts: 1,956 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	What yall can do to help is put some sort of NO! StarForce IN SH4 image or text into your sig. You dont have to use mine matter of fact I think mine sucks and hope the artists here make much better ones. Ya it does seem copy projection is starting to fall out. I guess it finally hit you cant stop copying by using the ole "Guilty till proven Innocent" scheme. Lets hope to see massive sales of SH4 that is clean of SF or any of this malware. Oh nice fact about the sony rootkit. Nice to see thugs exposed like this. __________________

12-16-05, 10:36 PM	#11
JohnnyPotPie Loader Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 89 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	ok starforce does damage to my drive? WTH!!! __________________ be more aggressive

12-16-05, 11:30 PM	#12
Zachstar Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shreveport, Louisiana Posts: 1,956 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	uhh ya ever notice how your drive revs alot when its being checked? May be different on yours but its does serious reving on only one disc when it is loading SH3 yes thats the SH3 disc itself. This checking means you leave the disc in the drive. (when you are really into it sometimes you leave it in the drive all the time) Windows reads it every so often so if you leave media in there it is running it. Drives can only rev so much before they die. Ive gone through a few this way. I play SH3 rarely in order to reduce damage to my already crippled from SF (theroy not proven just yet) DVD writer drive __________________

12-17-05, 07:10 AM	#13
Drebbel Dutch Sea Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Almost at periscope death ! Posts: 1,665 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Code: Post as little or as lot as you like but let us be heard! NOW is the perfect time to let them know how we fell before production begins. Perfect time ?? Why, including starforce takes almost no effeort, can be decided at the last moment before the making of the dvd's starts, could be as litle as a week. Oh, and I am not against StarForce, it is UBI's right to protect their property, but do hope they will sove the problems that various people seem to have.

12-17-05, 07:36 AM	#14
Type941 Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2005 Location: U-52 Posts: 1,270 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	not only does it cause problems for many users, but Starforce staff replies to problems were nothing short of disgusting snobbish arseholes, and I don't want them associtated with this game. Sidenote: I've just hit my cool 1000 posts mark and avatar has changed! __________________ Sink the Bismarck SH3 Movie

12-17-05, 08:59 AM	#15
Richard Zapp A-ganger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Louisiana, USA Posts: 74 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	NO STARFORCE! Starforce made my CD-RW drive not read blank CD's. It has since been replaced with a 2nd DVD-RW.