Russia

Happy Times · 11-24-05, 12:12 PM

Opinions. I personally sadly see the last two more likely than the first option

Russia is the source of continual interest to Finns because of history and geopolitics.

Kapitan · 11-24-05, 12:25 PM

russia is to strong to break apart it has the same for as america it would be like florida and san fransisco declaring independance russia is formed of sort of states so it wouldnt be practical nor logical

russia will not become part of europe as 1/2 thier land falls into asia and plus they dont meet a few requirements

Happy Times · 11-24-05, 12:26 PM

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plus they dont meet a few requirements

I would agree.

Kapitan · 11-24-05, 12:28 PM

civil war dont think so russians are very highly strung and very patriotic even if they dont say so they are

civil war doubt

joea · 11-24-05, 01:41 PM

They are not dumb the Russians, they ARE nationalist, not that that is bad as such, but will only expand to the palces they can, for now Central Asia I think now that folk liek Uzbek president Karimov are angry with the US a good opportunity for the Russians.

Type941 · 11-24-05, 02:01 PM

Nationalist AND expansionist?? :hmm: As opposed to Finns, who are just nationalist or ?? :rotfl: What a silly poll options.

Russia won't be a 'part of europe' in a sense that Germany is a part of Europe. Russia actually doesn't need Europe - it's big and self sufficient country, as opposed to so many nations that make up Europe. I assure you, Russia doesn't even want to be a part of EU or any other elite local club. The only place the want is WTO.

Regarding democracy bit, again, democracy means different things to different people.

I can smell that behind your poll (and judging by your comments in the past) is just one thing: you hope Russia breaks up and Korelia becomes part of Finland. And the hell with the rest of the country, and its people.

Happy Times · 11-24-05, 02:52 PM

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ationalist AND expansionist?? Hmmm As opposed to Finns, who are just nationalist or ??

Well Finnish nationalism in 19th century was created by the russification attemps and led to independence.

There arent strong nationalistic political partys/movements in Finland today.

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Russia actually doesn't need Europe - it's big and self sufficient country, as opposed to so many nations that make up Europe.

Actually Russia is pretty vulnerable to world market prices, 80% of its exports are natural riches. And it has to import a lot of products.

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Regarding democracy bit, again, democracy means different things to different people.

What do you meen? The basic principles are pretty clear.

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I can smell that behind your poll (and judging by your comments in the past) is just one thing: you hope Russia breaks up and Korelia becomes part of Finland. And the hell with the rest of the country, and its people.

More like hell whit its leaders and wake up and smell the coffee to the people.

CCIP · 11-24-05, 08:05 PM

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Regarding democracy bit, again, democracy means different things to different people.

Amen to that.

Russia is still in deep trouble, but the problems are less political and more social.

As far as Russians, although due to the social problems there is a growing nationalist movement, it's still very much in the minority.

If there's anything generalizable that Russians are, meanwhile, it's that they're incredibly passive politically.

Democracy? Let's not fool ourselves. Nationalism? It's not strong enough yet. Break up? To what? There's no strong regional loyalties, with a few exceptions in the Caucasus perhaps - but these are tiny.

My bet - Russia stays in its' quasi-democratic former-KGB limbo. In a few decades, perhaps, Siberia goes to China. I don't think the Karelia thing might go far - but perhaps if Finland gets rich, they could buy it.

kiwi_2005 · 11-24-05, 11:16 PM

For the Motherland

Happy Times · 11-24-05, 11:25 PM

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Break up? To what? There's no strong regional loyalties, with a few exceptions in the Caucasus perhaps - but these are tiny.

http://www.cdi.org/russia/305-7.cfm There are other opinions about this. Though i see the autoritarian centralized scenario more likely.

Oberon · 11-25-05, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by kiwi_2005

For the Motherland

"We will bury them!"

Catfish · 11-25-05, 04:06 AM

Hello,
as long as Putin is "president", there will be no change to democracy. If you observe what happens to free business leaders this is nothing more than dictatorship. Russia is currently ruled by the secret service, almost every leading post of business is filled with persons from Putin's organisation. Any free capitalist (e.g. Gasprom) is being accused of ridiculous actions "against the Russian state" and being thrown into prison. This is not the change that was already visible during Gorbatschov's time, but a fallback - only with a "capitalist" mantle and no free enterprises. There are no free elections, not even in the US style of democracy.
Greetings,
Catfish

Kapitan · 11-25-05, 06:01 AM

there is free elections ive seen a polling card and it doesnt just list putins name a dozen times it lists everything including communist leaders which might i add are the third most powerful party in the kremlin

Kapitan · 11-25-05, 06:01 AM

there is free elections ive seen a polling card and it doesnt just list putins name a dozen times it lists everything including communist leaders which might i add are the third most powerful party in the kremlin

kiwi_2005 · 11-25-05, 06:26 AM

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We will bury them

View Poll Results: What is the future of Russia?
Russia is going to become a European democracy.	15	33.33%
Russia is going to become a nationalistic and expansionist.	13	28.89%
Russia is going to brake to pieces, with possible civil war.	5	11.11%
Other?	12	26.67%
Voters: 45. You may not vote on this poll

11-24-05, 12:12 PM	#1
Happy Times Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 2,950 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Russia Opinions. I personally sadly see the last two more likely than the first option Russia is the source of continual interest to Finns because of history and geopolitics.

11-24-05, 12:25 PM	#2
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	russia is to strong to break apart it has the same for as america it would be like florida and san fransisco declaring independance russia is formed of sort of states so it wouldnt be practical nor logical russia will not become part of europe as 1/2 thier land falls into asia and plus they dont meet a few requirements __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

11-24-05, 12:28 PM	#4
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	civil war dont think so russians are very highly strung and very patriotic even if they dont say so they are civil war doubt __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

11-24-05, 02:01 PM	#6
Type941 Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2005 Location: U-52 Posts: 1,270 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Nationalist AND expansionist?? :hmm: As opposed to Finns, who are just nationalist or ?? :rotfl: What a silly poll options. Russia won't be a 'part of europe' in a sense that Germany is a part of Europe. Russia actually doesn't need Europe - it's big and self sufficient country, as opposed to so many nations that make up Europe. I assure you, Russia doesn't even want to be a part of EU or any other elite local club. The only place the want is WTO. Regarding democracy bit, again, democracy means different things to different people. I can smell that behind your poll (and judging by your comments in the past) is just one thing: you hope Russia breaks up and Korelia becomes part of Finland. And the hell with the rest of the country, and its people. __________________ Sink the Bismarck SH3 Movie

11-24-05, 01:41 PM	#5
joea Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: At periscope depth in Lake Geneva Posts: 3,512 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	They are not dumb the Russians, they ARE nationalist, not that that is bad as such, but will only expand to the palces they can, for now Central Asia I think now that folk liek Uzbek president Karimov are angry with the US a good opportunity for the Russians.

11-24-05, 11:16 PM	#9
kiwi_2005 Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aeoteroa Posts: 7,382 Downloads: 223 Uploads: 1	For the Motherland __________________ RIP kiwi_2005 Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others.

11-25-05, 04:06 AM	#12
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,765 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Russia... Hello, as long as Putin is "president", there will be no change to democracy. If you observe what happens to free business leaders this is nothing more than dictatorship. Russia is currently ruled by the secret service, almost every leading post of business is filled with persons from Putin's organisation. Any free capitalist (e.g. Gasprom) is being accused of ridiculous actions "against the Russian state" and being thrown into prison. This is not the change that was already visible during Gorbatschov's time, but a fallback - only with a "capitalist" mantle and no free enterprises. There are no free elections, not even in the US style of democracy. Greetings, Catfish

11-25-05, 06:01 AM	#13
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	there is free elections ive seen a polling card and it doesnt just list putins name a dozen times it lists everything including communist leaders which might i add are the third most powerful party in the kremlin __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/