World War III is already here

mapuc · 06-17-15, 05:35 PM

First some words before. Some weeks ago on the Swedish P1 radio program "Philosophical room" a person asked a question

When will World War III start ?

Here is what peace and conflict researcher and professor of intelligence analysis, Wilhelm Agrell said:

http://speisa.com/modules/articles/i...ll-happen.html

Quote:

Both Wilhelm Agrell, Professor of intelligence analysis and Kristian Gerner, a history professor, in the program agreed that the conflicts we now see in the Middle East, North Africa and terrorism in Europe should be designated as a world war.

Are they wrong or ?

Are they wrong because-No it can't be true I do not believe it ?
Or
Are they wrong because-A more technical/logical answer is given by the author ?

Or is it correct what they have said ?

Markus

Platapus · 06-17-15, 06:08 PM

It would first depend on how the term "world war" is being defined. Without knowing the definition, it is impossible to evaluate the situation.

Tchocky · 06-17-15, 06:26 PM

They're wrong because we're seeing less mass conflict than ever before

http://www.pri.org/stories/2014-09-2...ieve-it-or-not

Not trying to be too cynical but labeling it as WW3 is an attention grab.

And COME ON, terrorism in Europe?! There's less than ever FFS.

Oberon · 06-17-15, 06:32 PM

There's a distinct lack of Soviet T-72s in the Fulda Gap, if we are in WWIII then I want a refund.

fireftr18 · 06-17-15, 07:30 PM

The whole concept of "world war" is that the majority of the world is involved in the war. I believe we are in WW3 now. I feel the 9/11 attacks plunged us into it. Successful prosecution of the war prevented it from getting deeper, although I feel we could have done a better job.

Torplexed · 06-17-15, 07:42 PM

World War Three? I don't think so, in the manner in which such a possible conflict was anticipated during the Cold War years.

The Third World at War? Looking at the increasing tally of dysfunctional former colonies and non-aligned, non-nations, that is a term I'd certainly agree with.

HunterICX · 06-18-15, 03:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oberon

There's a distinct lack of Soviet T-72s in the Fulda Gap, if we are in WWIII then I want a refund.

For Refund you'll have to contact the Germans, the Germans will see this as a valid reason by shifting the blame on Poland to invade the country.

Problem solved and you still have your refund

Betonov · 06-18-15, 03:53 AM

While this could be technically considered WW3, we should reserve that title for something more deserving.
This should just remain the global war on terror or global clash of civilizations for the PC crowd.

Oberon · 06-18-15, 05:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HunterICX

For Refund you'll have to contact the Germans, the Germans will see this as a valid reason by shifting the blame on Poland to invade the country.

Problem solved and you still have your refund

Platapus · 06-18-15, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Both Wilhelm Agrell, Professor of intelligence analysis and Kristian Gerner, a history professor, in the program agreed that the conflicts we now see in the Middle East, North Africa and terrorism in Europe should be designated as a world war.

Have any of the involved countries declared a legal state of war? Might be hard to call something a world war if no one declares war.

But World Operations Other Than War does not have the same ring to it

WOOTO?

mapuc · 06-18-15, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Platapus

Have any of the involved countries declared a legal state of war? Might be hard to call something a world war if no one declares war.

But World Operations Other Than War does not have the same ring to it

WOOTO?

Many years ago on CNN I heard and saw some in the studio saying

"Today we do not declear war, it's an old way."

It was something like that it was many years ago, so I can't remember every word.

Denmark didn't declear war on Libya or IS. The sent their Fighter jets and start bombing.

Markus

Platapus · 06-18-15, 06:32 PM

One of the many reasons the US Congress does not declare war is that once they do, quite a few of our laws change and start giving the President considerable individual authority that will stay with the President until Congress declares the war over.

Given the choice of OOTW and keeping control/power and declaring war and giving much of that power to the President, it is not surprising that Congress chooses not to declare war.

I would like to see a drastic restriction of OOTW as it think it circumvents the US constitution.

War should be something to be avoided and used only as a last resort. OOTW makes fighting wars easier and that is what I feel should not happen.

If we are going to send the military someplace to kill and die, we need to declare war.

ikalugin · 06-19-15, 01:44 AM

Tu214R flight.

gregorm · 06-19-15, 08:50 AM

World War is a war between Great Powers.

As we speak you've got tens of thousands of Americans doing business in China and American investors are working alongside Russian, even with the sanctions.

Until a no-fly zone is implemented over Europe and the Chinese coast, I don't see us being in a world war.

06-17-15, 06:08 PM	#2
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,361 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	It would first depend on how the term "world war" is being defined. Without knowing the definition, it is impossible to evaluate the situation. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

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Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,874 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	They're wrong because we're seeing less mass conflict than ever before http://www.pri.org/stories/2014-09-2...ieve-it-or-not Not trying to be too cynical but labeling it as WW3 is an attention grab. And COME ON, terrorism in Europe?! There's less than ever FFS. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

06-17-15, 07:30 PM	#5
fireftr18 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Kentucky Posts: 2,528 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 0	The whole concept of "world war" is that the majority of the world is involved in the war. I believe we are in WW3 now. I feel the 9/11 attacks plunged us into it. Successful prosecution of the war prevented it from getting deeper, although I feel we could have done a better job. __________________ Of all the forms of Martial Arts, Karaoke causes the most pain!

06-17-15, 07:42 PM	#6
Torplexed Let's Sink Sumptin' ! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 5,823 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	World War Three? I don't think so, in the manner in which such a possible conflict was anticipated during the Cold War years. The Third World at War? Looking at the increasing tally of dysfunctional former colonies and non-aligned, non-nations, that is a term I'd certainly agree with. __________________ --Mobilis in Mobili--

06-18-15, 06:32 PM	#12
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,361 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	One of the many reasons the US Congress does not declare war is that once they do, quite a few of our laws change and start giving the President considerable individual authority that will stay with the President until Congress declares the war over. Given the choice of OOTW and keeping control/power and declaring war and giving much of that power to the President, it is not surprising that Congress chooses not to declare war. I would like to see a drastic restriction of OOTW as it think it circumvents the US constitution. War should be something to be avoided and used only as a last resort. OOTW makes fighting wars easier and that is what I feel should not happen. If we are going to send the military someplace to kill and die, we need to declare war. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

06-17-15, 06:32 PM	#4
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	There's a distinct lack of Soviet T-72s in the Fulda Gap, if we are in WWIII then I want a refund.

06-18-15, 03:53 AM	#8
Betonov Navy Seal Join Date: May 2009 Location: Slovenia Posts: 8,647 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	While this could be technically considered WW3, we should reserve that title for something more deserving. This should just remain the global war on terror or global clash of civilizations for the PC crowd.

06-19-15, 01:44 AM	#13
ikalugin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 3,212 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Tu214R flight. __________________ Grumpy as always.

06-19-15, 08:50 AM	#14
gregorm Watch Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 16 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	World War is a war between Great Powers. As we speak you've got tens of thousands of Americans doing business in China and American investors are working alongside Russian, even with the sanctions. Until a no-fly zone is implemented over Europe and the Chinese coast, I don't see us being in a world war.