The Art of Diplomacy

Oberon · 12-26-13, 02:37 AM

Now settle down boys and girls, and I'll give you a little lesson in diplomacy, a game that's supposed to be played between countries to stop them from blowing each other to pieces.

Now, let's say there are two countries who currently have large tensions between each other, there has been some small clashes between patrol boats and both sides have a lot of rhetoric going on.

Here's what you do not do...you do not go and visit a notorious shrine that has war criminals from the time when you raped and pillaged the other countries around you and pay tribute to not only the soldiers that died in that war but the war criminals as well. By all means do that after tensions have died down a little...but not right in the middle of it.

Shinzo Abe you big twit...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25517205

And while you're at it, fix your school history lessons!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21226068

Japan, you make some really smart stuff...but my God can your government be even more dumb than ours...

Betonov · 12-26-13, 03:51 AM

And that when Japan car companies are making a killing by selling cars to China

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101161807

STEED · 12-26-13, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

can your government be even more dumb than ours...

Please do not say Japan's government is more dumb than ours, no ones government is dumb as ours is. In fact ours is so dumb even little green men from outer space are taken back.

TarJak · 12-26-13, 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED

Please do not say Japan's government is more dumb than ours, no ones government is dumb as ours is. In fact ours is so dumb even little green men from outer space are taken back.

We have the mad monk as the leader of our gubmint. Surely ours takes the cake for dumb.

Feuer Frei! · 12-26-13, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by TarJak

We have the mad monk as the leader of our gubmint. Surely ours takes the cake for dumb.

Well, you want Crudd back do you?

Or how about Gillard?

Didn't think so

And before you say Bill Shorten...another

STEED · 12-26-13, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by TarJak

We have the mad monk as the leader of our gubmint. Surely ours takes the cake for dumb.

No chance, ours is so dumb a new word has to be made up to describe them.

Jimbuna · 12-26-13, 09:03 AM

Don't vote...it only encourages them.

Schroeder · 12-26-13, 10:00 AM

Oberon, you make the mistake of talking about the art of diplomacy from a western point of view. In Asia things work differently and it seems the best diplomat is the one that pisses all other countries off the most.
Works fine for North Korea (which is best Korea of course...), China and well....Japan.

fireftr18 · 12-26-13, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by TarJak

We have the mad monk as the leader of our gubmint. Surely ours takes the cake for dumb.

Yours may take the cake, but only because ours is so dumb that we give it away, when we need it here.

vienna · 12-26-13, 01:38 PM

“Diplomacy is the art of telling people to go to hell in such a way that they ask for directions.”

― Winston Churchill

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Jimbuna · 12-26-13, 01:43 PM

Diplomacy, is the art of letting somebody else have your way.

David Frost

vienna · 12-26-13, 01:54 PM

^ Liking that one...

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Oberon · 12-26-13, 03:40 PM

David Frost, legend.

But yes, Schroeder has a point, the Art of Diplomacy never seemed to catch on in Asia did it? I guess Mao had a point when he said 'Political power flows out of the barrel of a gun'.
Well, Japan wants guns, big guns, and it wants to remove the 'Self Defence' from its military force. I can understand this, with the PRC becoming a more dominant force in the Pacific and Japan not so sure if the US is going to be there to support it if the PRC comes calling, although Obama is playing the right cards, shifting focus from the Atlantic to Pacific, calling the PRCs bluff, standing up to the DPRK, setting up shop in Australia, but Abe has his powerbases in the right wing revisionists who see the current Japanese constitution as a humiliation forced upon it by the United States and that Japanese actions in the Second World War were not as bad as they are made out to be, so he's going to exploit this as far as he can. I can see, before this decade is out, Article Nine of the Japanese Constitution will be in the dustbin...and to be honest, I'm not so sure what to think of that...on one hand it makes a good counter-balance to the PRC to have a remilitarised Japan, we all know that they are capable of punching above their weight with a fanatical manner...but at the same time, has Japan really learnt enough not to find itself going down the same path that lead it into war with the US again? The revisionist stance it has taken in recent years in regards to its own history makes me question that...

Interesting times, as the Chinese curse goes...

TarJak · 12-26-13, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

Well, you want Crudd back do you?

Or how about Gillard?

Didn't think so

And before you say Bill Shorten...another

No, no and no. And don't even think about mentioning the Greens...

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Originally Posted by STEED

No chance, ours is so dumb a new word has to be made up to describe them.

BossMark?

Schroeder · 12-27-13, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

has Japan really learnt enough not to find itself going down the same path that lead it into war with the US again? The revisionist stance it has taken in recent years in regards to its own history makes me question that...

From my understanding they are doing everything to unlearn at the moment.

12-26-13, 02:37 AM	#1
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	The Art of Diplomacy Now settle down boys and girls, and I'll give you a little lesson in diplomacy, a game that's supposed to be played between countries to stop them from blowing each other to pieces. Now, let's say there are two countries who currently have large tensions between each other, there has been some small clashes between patrol boats and both sides have a lot of rhetoric going on. Here's what you do not do...you do not go and visit a notorious shrine that has war criminals from the time when you raped and pillaged the other countries around you and pay tribute to not only the soldiers that died in that war but the war criminals as well. By all means do that after tensions have died down a little...but not right in the middle of it. Shinzo Abe you big twit... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25517205 And while you're at it, fix your school history lessons! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21226068 Japan, you make some really smart stuff...but my God can your government be even more dumb than ours...

12-26-13, 09:03 AM	#7
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,461 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Don't vote...it only encourages them. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

12-26-13, 10:00 AM	#8
Schroeder Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Banana Republic of Germany Posts: 6,170 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	Oberon, you make the mistake of talking about the art of diplomacy from a western point of view. In Asia things work differently and it seems the best diplomat is the one that pisses all other countries off the most. Works fine for North Korea (which is best Korea of course...), China and well....Japan. __________________ Putting Germ back into Germany.

12-26-13, 01:38 PM	#10
vienna Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anywhere but the here & now... Posts: 7,711 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	“Diplomacy is the art of telling people to go to hell in such a way that they ask for directions.” ― Winston Churchill <O> __________________ __________________________________________________ __

12-26-13, 01:43 PM	#11
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,461 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Diplomacy, is the art of letting somebody else have your way. David Frost __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

12-26-13, 03:51 AM	#2
Betonov Navy Seal Join Date: May 2009 Location: Slovenia Posts: 8,647 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	And that when Japan car companies are making a killing by selling cars to China http://www.cnbc.com/id/101161807

12-26-13, 01:54 PM	#12
vienna Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anywhere but the here & now... Posts: 7,711 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	^ Liking that one... <O> __________________ __________________________________________________ __

12-26-13, 03:40 PM	#13
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	David Frost, legend. But yes, Schroeder has a point, the Art of Diplomacy never seemed to catch on in Asia did it? I guess Mao had a point when he said 'Political power flows out of the barrel of a gun'. Well, Japan wants guns, big guns, and it wants to remove the 'Self Defence' from its military force. I can understand this, with the PRC becoming a more dominant force in the Pacific and Japan not so sure if the US is going to be there to support it if the PRC comes calling, although Obama is playing the right cards, shifting focus from the Atlantic to Pacific, calling the PRCs bluff, standing up to the DPRK, setting up shop in Australia, but Abe has his powerbases in the right wing revisionists who see the current Japanese constitution as a humiliation forced upon it by the United States and that Japanese actions in the Second World War were not as bad as they are made out to be, so he's going to exploit this as far as he can. I can see, before this decade is out, Article Nine of the Japanese Constitution will be in the dustbin...and to be honest, I'm not so sure what to think of that...on one hand it makes a good counter-balance to the PRC to have a remilitarised Japan, we all know that they are capable of punching above their weight with a fanatical manner...but at the same time, has Japan really learnt enough not to find itself going down the same path that lead it into war with the US again? The revisionist stance it has taken in recent years in regards to its own history makes me question that... Interesting times, as the Chinese curse goes...