NSA leaks reveal spying targets

[Jimbuna]

The plot just gets thicker and thicker...Snowden is certainly dictating the game atm.

More details of people and institutions targeted by UK and US surveillance have been published by The Guardian, The New York Times and Der Spiegel.

The papers say that the list of around 1,000 targets includes a European Union commissioner, humanitarian organisations and an Israeli PM.

The secret documents were leaked by the former US security contractor, Edward Snowden, now a fugitive in Russia.

They suggest over 60 countries were targets of the NSA and Britain's GCHQ.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-25468263

[Gerald]

And yet, we have not seen the end.

Originally Posted by Vendor

And yet, we have not seen the end.

I am waiting for them to be revealed as spying on subversive terrorist elements such as the RNLI and Age Concern.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

I am waiting for them to be revealed as spying on subversive terrorist elements such as the RNLI and Age Concern.

Heaven forbid

[Wolferz]

They might as well confess all. They're spying on everybody but the ones who actually need to be watched.
Like the house, the senate and all of these lobby groups.

"When you have a boot on your neck it doesn't matter if it's left or right"

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Wolferz

They might as well confess all. They're spying on everybody but the ones who actually need to be watched.
Like the house, the senate and all of these lobby groups.

"When you have a boot on your neck it doesn't matter if it's left or right"

Aye that.

[Catfish]

Snowden is of course guilty of all, what the NSA and the GCHQ do.


Now there still is a very slight difference between the messenger, and the crime he reports, some people tend to forget that.
As the term whistleblower means a policeman's whistle is blown to catch the thief. But it seems no one cares, for those agencies.

I can imagine how ten-thousands of NSA staff happily reads all those christmas cards, and the mails of their relativres, friends and a few enemies (why is there no vomiting icon?). Can it get any lower ?



@Jim: What do you think about the London surveillance cameras ? Do you personally think it's a good thing ?

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Catfish

@Jim: What do you think about the London surveillance cameras ? Do you personally think it's a good thing ?

No, not at all but we live in a world of clandestine smoke and mirrors that most if not all people are or should be aware of....traitors who suddenly 'develop' a conscience after accepting and enjoying the rewards from their employers leave a bad taste in the mouth though.

The term 'Quisling' springs to mind.

'1984' was only around 30 years or so off.
In the slice of time history records? That's a mere moment in the blink of an eye.
Welcome to 2014 Gentlemen.

[Catfish]

Of course, the traitor's words are always liked, but not the traitor himself.
Is Snowden a traitor ?

AFAIK it has recently been said that Snowden joined the agency for the purpose of finding out and uncovering - whether it is that or he came to a point where he realized that what he and others did violated their own constitution ..
Fact is if someone finds out his country is responsible for breeching national and international law, and then makes that public because of not being able to 'arrange' that with his personal conscience - would you call such a person a traitor

You mentioned Quisling and thus WW2 - was Sophie Scholl a traitor ?
Or Stauffenberg, who 'enjoyed the rewards' of his employer ?
Under the Nazis, of course.

But since almost 70 years are gone since the end of WW2, shouldn't we have other/higher standards, by now.
I mean, outside of North Corea.


edit:
Ok, the last one was a cheap shot. Seems the well known german 'directness' (to put it mildly) got the better of me ..

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Wolferz

They might as well confess all. They're spying on everybody but the ones who actually need to be watched.
Like the house, the senate and all of these lobby groups.

"When you have a boot on your neck it doesn't matter if it's left or right"

I'll just leave link here.

[GoldenRivet]

When you are in Snowden's shoes... you always keep your best ace up your sleeve.

Just waiting for this to break - facebook revealed as CIA NSA FBI joint front for keeping tabs on you.

thats just insane, but truth is stranger than fiction.

[Wolferz]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

When you are in Snowden's shoes... you always keep your best ace up your sleeve.

Just waiting for this to break - facebook revealed as CIA NSA FBI joint front for keeping tabs on you.

thats just insane, but truth is stranger than fiction.

There is only one logical conclusion...
This was all planned from the get go.
After all, it was DARPA that invented the internet to begin with.

Using it to monitor everyone was not the original stated purpose.

[Skybird]

It gets reported that internet security company RSA was payed 10 million by NSA for including a weak randomization algorithm in its internet security software suite BSafe that was developed by the NSA.

RSA now warns of its own software.

I bet money that RSA is not the only company that got more or less forced, intimidated or bribed into using NSA infested code.

Meanwhile American envoys to either Brazil or the EU tried to get away with telling their "partners" during diplomatic talks that American surveillance is not really surveillance and that it is no data collecting when America is collecting data.

Some weeks ago it was reported that American diplomats put pressure on Germany's then likely great coalition personnel to make them comply with US-lobbied and EU-wanted laws widening preemptive data collection and storage, which parts of the great coalition as a result ofm the NSA revelation now want to boycott and not form into German law.

Megalomania in bed with arrogance.

Maybe Frank Herbert had a right idea. Maybe it really is time for a Butler's djihad.