Open carry in Oklahoma

Onkel Neal · 11-02-12, 10:08 PM

Well, I have mixed feelings about this. Good lord, a diner packed with fat guys carrying guns. Is that really necessary?

Read more: http://newsok.com/open-carry-arrives...#ixzz2B7p7i81M

Or maybe here....

AVGWarhawk · 11-02-12, 10:16 PM

Sure, if the food sucks.....

Stealhead · 11-02-12, 10:28 PM

Funny the guy in the Air Force he would not be allowed to carry that weapon on base in such a manner.

The one fellow mentions that criminals according to the FBI fear an armed citizen more than the police I'm not so sure how accurate that is but if they do fear an armed citizen they are more likely to commit a crime using extreme violence of action to counter the threat kind of like special forces theirs foes are packing heat and expect them in most cases so they use violence of action to gain the upper hand.

In my opinion an unseen weapon is always an advantage and the wise person would not rely on just a firearm hell at very close range using a firearm as a blunt force weapon is a much better option rather than its bullets.When I sit in some place I think of all the possible weapons around me take a magazine roll that thing up and jam it into an attackers mouth or eyes once when I a teenager several guys from school that did not like my brother and I showed up at our house out numbering us so my brother threw the paper back Star Trek book he was reading at one guys face and broke his nose that was the most awesome display of blunt force I have ever seen he bleed pretty baldy maybe it broke his sinus as well he was the roughest of the crew so the rest lost heart.

The other problem with open carry is that every smug cop in the world is going to ask you about it.Another concern about open carry is weapon control is the person carrying alert enough to prevent someone from disarming him? And if so is his trained in hand to hand combat in able to gain control in a fight for control of the weapon?

I bet Joe Woods Arteries where in sheer terror with every bite of that burger hell most of the guys in that video need to open carry in a gym if you catch my drift.

I wonder how the federal law that bans firearms on schools applies in OK? Right now school property including parking lots and vehicles are banned.

DOD wise you are not allowed to carry a loaded fire arm on base unless you are actively carrying it as part of your duties and those living in barracks/dorms are not allowed to have firearms stored in the rooms or vehicles they are kept in an assigned base armory base housing they must provide a list of all firearms and the amount or ammunition owned this is stateside and in non combat locations,Germany,Japan.

For the military I think that it is reasonable based on a personal experience involving an off duty RAF MP that was allowed to carry his side arm.He deiced that he did not like the fact that a group of airman(US and RAF) was having a get together that was making a little noise but not outside the amount that Mr.RAF MP and his pals made.Anyway he came over with his uniform and his sidearm in its holster and a RAF member that was socializing asked if he was on duty and the MP said, "no" and his fellow airman said that he should not be carrying the sidearm then.

Anyway Mr.RAF MP started saying that he wanted us to shut up and was obviously using the sidearm in the holster as intimidation.Well a Texan did not take too kindly to this and said that he would shove that gun up Mr. RAF MPs rear sideways if he did not ask nicely for us to quite down and leave well this lead to some pretty heated words and Mr.RAF MP did leave but it was a slight bit harry to say the least anyway the RAF transferred the hot head to another base but that was all that happened to him.

11-03-12, 02:06 AM

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Good lord, a diner packed with fat guys carrying guns. Is that really necessary?

It shall not be infringed.

Catfish · 11-03-12, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Well, I have mixed feelings about this. Good lord, a diner packed with fat guys carrying guns. Is that really necessary?

But .. are there any other than fat guys left, in the US ?

Only joking

They will all feel much safer now, when all citizens carry guns while doing their job, or go shopping

Again, i'm feeling like an alien.

Betonov · 11-03-12, 05:05 AM

As long as they're sober I'd feel safe

Oberon · 11-03-12, 07:56 AM

Hard to know where to stand on this one. Open carry acts as a visual deterrent but then if the other guy also has a gun then you might as well clear the street and have a good old fashioned quick draw shoot-out.

August · 11-03-12, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

But .. are there any other than fat guys left, in the US ?

Only joking

The picture is from a Pancake House. The chances of finding fat people there are about 300%.

Sailor Steve · 11-03-12, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Well, I have mixed feelings about this.

Then you might not want to think too much about this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_ca..._United_States

Onkel Neal · 11-03-12, 10:43 AM

I don't know. I am all for the 2nd amendment, but isn't it kind of silly, everyone packing a gun like it's a war zone? I have lived in Houston for 15 years now, and I come and go as I please, in shabby, dark sides of town often as not. Yes, there is crime, but I cannot say I have ever seen it firsthand, felt threatened, or really felt a need to be packing a firearm for my safety.

I think a big part of this is some people wanna play cowboy. Hey, a real cowboy doesn't constantly fret about his safety. Sheesh, grow a pair, people.

Disclaimer: If I had been mugged, attacked, or someone I know had been, say once a year or so, yeah, I could see it. I would be toting a .45 Colt in a holster, humming "Make My Day". But, seriously, the need ain't there. I may as well be carrying a portable sewing machine in the event my pants split open from too many trips to Dots Diner.

mookiemookie · 11-03-12, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

I don't know. I am all for the 2nd amendment, but isn't it kind of silly, everyone packing a gun like it's a war zone? I have lived in Houston for 15 years now, and I come and go as I please, in shabby, dark sides of town often as not. Yes, there is crime, but I cannot say I have ever seen it firsthand, felt threatened, or really felt a need to be packing a firearm for my safety.

I think a big part of this is some people wanna play cowboy. Hey, a real cowboy doesn't constantly fret about his safety. Sheesh, grow a pair, people.

Disclaimer: If I had been mugged, attacked, or someone I know had been, say once a year or so, yeah, I could see it. I would be toting a .45 Colt in a holster, humming "Make My Day". But, seriously, the need ain't there. I may as well be carrying a portable sewing machine in the event my pants split open from too many trips to Dots Diner.

Well said.

Catfish · 11-03-12, 10:52 AM

On one hand it is nice to have "freedom". Somehow i never connected that to firearms, but everyone has his own view.

It is prohibited to drink alcohol publicly (why b.t.w., because of the influence on children ?), but arms may be openly carried.

Well as we can see in those "Westerns", openly carrying shotguns in e.g. saloons has a long tradition in the USA ..

Sailor Steve · 11-03-12, 10:54 AM

I completely agree with your feelings, Neal. On the other hand how often do you hear about "make my day" actually happening? As far as I know, never, though I'm sure it must happen sometime, somewhere. I don't see too many people doing it here, though Utah is an open carry state. I do imagine there are a lot of concealed carry people, though of course you can't see them doing it.

Every single time I ever hear of shootings in public, it is invariably some nutjob shooting down unarmed people. People who don't like the idea always say that if someone shoots back it "could" be a bloodbath, but in mass shooting cases it already is, so I have to ask how many lives might have been saved if someone did shoot back.

My bottom line is the handful of times I've seen someone on the streets of Salt Lake City with a gun displayed openly my first reaction is always surprise, because it is so rare, then a little worry, then relaxation with the knowledge that if such a person were to pull it out and start shooting he likely would already have done so, and as was pointed out the person who wants to do that will more likely keep the gun hidden until he's ready to use it.

99.99% of the people who own guns will never shoot one at another person, and the 0.01% who will cannot be predicted or even necessarily stopped; only prepared for as best you can.

Platapus · 11-03-12, 12:45 PM

My concern with open carry is that I am one baseball bat away from not only having my weapon stolen but also one baseball bat away from arming a criminal for free.

Walking around with an expensive high quality handgun in the open is like walking down the street with wads of money sticking out of your pocket. It may attract the wrong type of attention.

Now in more rural areas, Open carry may work. But the more urban areas, concealed carry might be better.

CaptainHaplo · 11-03-12, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

My concern with open carry is that I am one baseball bat away from not only having my weapon stolen but also one baseball bat away from arming a criminal for free.

Walking around with an expensive high quality handgun in the open is like walking down the street with wads of money sticking out of your pocket. It may attract the wrong type of attention.

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Originally Posted by geetrue

What if the fat guy falls off of his stool and the Glock 22 slips out of its hard leather holster on to the dirty resturant floor ...

Anyone carrying needs to be responsibly carrying. That means not just training - but equipment. Retention holsters are an absolute MUST for any responsible open carrier.

Now regarding a baseball bat - if someone approaches me carrying a baseball bat - do you really think I am going to be not paying attention?

Training for how to carry is not just about how to draw rapidly or fire accurately. Every good training course will teach you - and drill you - on situational awareness.

If your jumped unaware by a guy with a baseball bat who can take your head off with it before you can react - its not going to matter if you are carrying openly, concealed or not at all.

Carrying - whether concealed or open (and I live in an open carry state) requires you to do so safely. That means not just you know how to use a firearm -but when and why you can legally do so - as well as HOW to keep yourself from having to. Its a right - AND when you exercise it - it becomes a RESPONSIBILITY.

11-02-12, 10:08 PM	#1
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,383 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	Open carry in Oklahoma Well, I have mixed feelings about this. Good lord, a diner packed with fat guys carrying guns. Is that really necessary? Read more: http://newsok.com/open-carry-arrives...#ixzz2B7p7i81M Or maybe here.... __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

11-02-12, 10:28 PM	#3
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Funny the guy in the Air Force he would not be allowed to carry that weapon on base in such a manner. The one fellow mentions that criminals according to the FBI fear an armed citizen more than the police I'm not so sure how accurate that is but if they do fear an armed citizen they are more likely to commit a crime using extreme violence of action to counter the threat kind of like special forces theirs foes are packing heat and expect them in most cases so they use violence of action to gain the upper hand. In my opinion an unseen weapon is always an advantage and the wise person would not rely on just a firearm hell at very close range using a firearm as a blunt force weapon is a much better option rather than its bullets.When I sit in some place I think of all the possible weapons around me take a magazine roll that thing up and jam it into an attackers mouth or eyes once when I a teenager several guys from school that did not like my brother and I showed up at our house out numbering us so my brother threw the paper back Star Trek book he was reading at one guys face and broke his nose that was the most awesome display of blunt force I have ever seen he bleed pretty baldy maybe it broke his sinus as well he was the roughest of the crew so the rest lost heart. The other problem with open carry is that every smug cop in the world is going to ask you about it.Another concern about open carry is weapon control is the person carrying alert enough to prevent someone from disarming him? And if so is his trained in hand to hand combat in able to gain control in a fight for control of the weapon? I bet Joe Woods Arteries where in sheer terror with every bite of that burger hell most of the guys in that video need to open carry in a gym if you catch my drift. I wonder how the federal law that bans firearms on schools applies in OK? Right now school property including parking lots and vehicles are banned. DOD wise you are not allowed to carry a loaded fire arm on base unless you are actively carrying it as part of your duties and those living in barracks/dorms are not allowed to have firearms stored in the rooms or vehicles they are kept in an assigned base armory base housing they must provide a list of all firearms and the amount or ammunition owned this is stateside and in non combat locations,Germany,Japan. For the military I think that it is reasonable based on a personal experience involving an off duty RAF MP that was allowed to carry his side arm.He deiced that he did not like the fact that a group of airman(US and RAF) was having a get together that was making a little noise but not outside the amount that Mr.RAF MP and his pals made.Anyway he came over with his uniform and his sidearm in its holster and a RAF member that was socializing asked if he was on duty and the MP said, "no" and his fellow airman said that he should not be carrying the sidearm then. Anyway Mr.RAF MP started saying that he wanted us to shut up and was obviously using the sidearm in the holster as intimidation.Well a Texan did not take too kindly to this and said that he would shove that gun up Mr. RAF MPs rear sideways if he did not ask nicely for us to quite down and leave well this lead to some pretty heated words and Mr.RAF MP did leave but it was a slight bit harry to say the least anyway the RAF transferred the hot head to another base but that was all that happened to him. Last edited by Stealhead; 11-02-12 at 11:11 PM.

11-03-12, 10:43 AM	#10
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,383 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	I don't know. I am all for the 2nd amendment, but isn't it kind of silly, everyone packing a gun like it's a war zone? I have lived in Houston for 15 years now, and I come and go as I please, in shabby, dark sides of town often as not. Yes, there is crime, but I cannot say I have ever seen it firsthand, felt threatened, or really felt a need to be packing a firearm for my safety. I think a big part of this is some people wanna play cowboy. Hey, a real cowboy doesn't constantly fret about his safety. Sheesh, grow a pair, people. Disclaimer: If I had been mugged, attacked, or someone I know had been, say once a year or so, yeah, I could see it. I would be toting a .45 Colt in a holster, humming "Make My Day". But, seriously, the need ain't there. I may as well be carrying a portable sewing machine in the event my pants split open from too many trips to Dots Diner. __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

11-03-12, 10:54 AM	#13
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	I completely agree with your feelings, Neal. On the other hand how often do you hear about "make my day" actually happening? As far as I know, never, though I'm sure it must happen sometime, somewhere. I don't see too many people doing it here, though Utah is an open carry state. I do imagine there are a lot of concealed carry people, though of course you can't see them doing it. Every single time I ever hear of shootings in public, it is invariably some nutjob shooting down unarmed people. People who don't like the idea always say that if someone shoots back it "could" be a bloodbath, but in mass shooting cases it already is, so I have to ask how many lives might have been saved if someone did shoot back. My bottom line is the handful of times I've seen someone on the streets of Salt Lake City with a gun displayed openly my first reaction is always surprise, because it is so rare, then a little worry, then relaxation with the knowledge that if such a person were to pull it out and start shooting he likely would already have done so, and as was pointed out the person who wants to do that will more likely keep the gun hidden until he's ready to use it. 99.99% of the people who own guns will never shoot one at another person, and the 0.01% who will cannot be predicted or even necessarily stopped; only prepared for as best you can. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

11-03-12, 12:45 PM	#14
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,360 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	My concern with open carry is that I am one baseball bat away from not only having my weapon stolen but also one baseball bat away from arming a criminal for free. Walking around with an expensive high quality handgun in the open is like walking down the street with wads of money sticking out of your pocket. It may attract the wrong type of attention. Now in more rural areas, Open carry may work. But the more urban areas, concealed carry might be better. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

11-02-12, 10:16 PM	#2
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,253 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Sure, if the food sucks.....

11-03-12, 05:05 AM	#6
Betonov Navy Seal Join Date: May 2009 Location: Slovenia Posts: 8,647 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	As long as they're sober I'd feel safe

11-03-12, 07:56 AM	#7
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Hard to know where to stand on this one. Open carry acts as a visual deterrent but then if the other guy also has a gun then you might as well clear the street and have a good old fashioned quick draw shoot-out.

11-03-12, 10:52 AM	#12
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,765 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	On one hand it is nice to have "freedom". Somehow i never connected that to firearms, but everyone has his own view. It is prohibited to drink alcohol publicly (why b.t.w., because of the influence on children ?), but arms may be openly carried. Well as we can see in those "Westerns", openly carrying shotguns in e.g. saloons has a long tradition in the USA ..