Food Constraint

Joe's #2 son · 12-31-11, 07:24 PM

Happy New Year

! I was wondering if any of the forum members would know how many days of food a uboat could carry. I feel voluntarily setting this constraint on a patrol would make the game more realistic, instead of staying on patrol indefinitly until your torpedoes are spent. If this historical information is available, it seems each class of uboat would have a different limit. If any of you have applied this constraint, would you kindly share your method or insights. It could be possible, that you would have to return to base with full torpedoes and an empty stomach.
Thank you all, good luck in '12. Sinks zem all !!

Gargamel · 12-31-11, 08:37 PM

Usually for me, depending on where I get assigned, fuel becomes an issue first. Unless, of course I'm in a target rich location.

But I think I remember reading somewhere (Blair maybe?) that they tried to match the food load to the expected fuel usage. Iirc, somewhere around 2-3 months. But don't quote me on this.

Edit:
http://uboat.net/men/foodstuffs.htm

Per that link, a IXC usually carried a 12 week supply. In game you would be hard pressed, short of being assigned to the sargasso sea, to keep torpedos for that long.

Kapt Z · 12-31-11, 10:01 PM

I try and adjust my cruising speed to allow for about 50+/- days in a type VIIB/C which is my boat of choice.

The type IXs of course, could stay out much longer.

andwii · 12-31-11, 10:17 PM

idk how you guys can make it more then 20 days at sea. I always seem to be in within 15 days, or in a refuel station.

Sailor Steve · 12-31-11, 10:33 PM

I cruise to my zone at setting 2, and patrol at setting 1, only going faster if I'm actually in pursuit of something. I had one patrol in a Type VII last 85 days, which I'm sure is not historic.

Missing Name · 12-31-11, 10:56 PM

My patrols rarely last longer than a month. One did last two, though.

Uboat crews had the best food in the Kriegsmarine. Which only tells how atrocious the rest of it must have been... fishing, anyone?

PappyCain · 01-01-12, 07:16 AM

You might enjoy this site and this page. I always wished there was a mod for food allotment, a sort of a days at sea metering - sometimes your fuel could outlast your food in reality.

http://uboat.net/men/foodstuffs.htm

you can also check against the length of patrols and type of boat for historical data.

Me? I have my immersion kit. When the food rack is lean, I head home.

"U-boat crews would often trade with fishermen for fresh fish as well as board their victims and remove any foodstuffs they could carry."

Sailor Steve · 01-01-12, 09:15 AM

But is it anywhere stated that any u-boat ended a patrol because they ran low on food? That's the real question.

PappyCain · 01-01-12, 10:12 AM

I have read that in a true account. The only way they extended the patrol was to filtch fish at gunpoint with local fisherman. Especially when they transited to to S.A. and the Caribbean. You could not feed 40 men plus on what was provided, as cured meat was the only thing left - the flour and bread even spoiled and all fresh fruit was devoured in the first week. Add too a stinking hot boat, hot climate and black mold was an issue in all seas too, a major issue. What I suggest is that the food stores lost a fair percentage that was not consummed even if the weevils, maggots and larvae were picked off.

Sailor Steve · 01-01-12, 10:15 AM

Source please. I've also read about fishing, stealing fish and of course killing polar bears. What those don't say was whether they did it because they had no food left or because they were tired of canned food. I've still not read of a patrol ending over lack of food.

PappyCain · 01-01-12, 10:30 AM

There is an excellent book on this subject: White, John F. U-Boat Tankers 1941-45 Submarine Suppliers to Atlantic Wolf Packs. Annapolis, MD: Naval Institute Press, 1998. ISBN: 1-55750-861-5. Copyright: John F. White, 1998

Sailor Steve · 01-01-12, 01:58 PM

And? What does it say?

Gargamel · 01-01-12, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

But is it anywhere stated that any u-boat ended a patrol because they ran low on food? That's the real question.

Page 91 of Blair's first volume Indicates that a number of boats did return due to low food stores, but also indicates it wasn't the only reason.

U-69 had to resort to killing dolphins to gain food (pg 301).

Type VII's only had enough fuel and food to patrol for ten days when they were assigned to canadian waters (pg 440).

U-332 arrived off of hatteras in feb '42 low on fuel, and u-128 was ordered to divert from Florida on their return trip to resupply u-332. They refused citing not enough food to make that detour. Pg 517.

There are also numerous accounts of both food and fuel being limiting factors in the campaign in American waters.

So, yes, I would say food did affect patrols.

Sailor Steve · 01-01-12, 04:00 PM

Thank you. That was what I was looking for. Now I can join the crowd asking for food as an option in the games.

Gargamel · 01-01-12, 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Thank you. That was what I was looking for. Now I can join the crowd asking for food as an option in the games.

As I mentioned before, I think they stocked to match expected fuel load. Most of the incidents I found, quite a few of them were from skippers who were later reassigned, leading me to believe mismanagement lead to food shortages.

I think adding food management would just be another annoyance of creW micro management, similar to fatigue.

12-31-11, 07:24 PM	#1
Joe's #2 son Watch Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 15 Downloads: 131 Uploads: 0	Food Constraint Happy New Year! I was wondering if any of the forum members would know how many days of food a uboat could carry. I feel voluntarily setting this constraint on a patrol would make the game more realistic, instead of staying on patrol indefinitly until your torpedoes are spent. If this historical information is available, it seems each class of uboat would have a different limit. If any of you have applied this constraint, would you kindly share your method or insights. It could be possible, that you would have to return to base with full torpedoes and an empty stomach. Thank you all, good luck in '12. Sinks zem all !!

12-31-11, 10:01 PM	#3
Kapt Z Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: ...somewhere in the swamps of Jersey. Posts: 909 Downloads: 157 Uploads: 0	I try and adjust my cruising speed to allow for about 50+/- days in a type VIIB/C which is my boat of choice. The type IXs of course, could stay out much longer. __________________ ...I fought in many guises, many names, but always me. Patton

12-31-11, 10:33 PM	#5
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	I cruise to my zone at setting 2, and patrol at setting 1, only going faster if I'm actually in pursuit of something. I had one patrol in a Type VII last 85 days, which I'm sure is not historic. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

12-31-11, 10:56 PM	#6
Missing Name Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Westun New Yahk Posts: 748 Downloads: 131 Uploads: 0	My patrols rarely last longer than a month. One did last two, though. Uboat crews had the best food in the Kriegsmarine. Which only tells how atrocious the rest of it must have been... fishing, anyone? __________________ Largest target sunk with deck gun: Japanese auxiliary cruiser, 15000 tons Largest engaged: HMS Nelson. Results inconclusive. Read Brag's stuff

01-01-12, 07:16 AM	#7
PappyCain Samurai Navy Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: on the Atlantic Ocean Posts: 559 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	You might enjoy this site and this page. I always wished there was a mod for food allotment, a sort of a days at sea metering - sometimes your fuel could outlast your food in reality. http://uboat.net/men/foodstuffs.htm you can also check against the length of patrols and type of boat for historical data. Me? I have my immersion kit. When the food rack is lean, I head home. "U-boat crews would often trade with fishermen for fresh fish as well as board their victims and remove any foodstuffs they could carry." __________________ DID, no cheats, no shortcuts, no non-historic equipment deviations. Boat and crew safety is integral with my immersion style! Follow the historic events during your patrol: http://www.uboat.net/today.html

12-31-11, 08:37 PM	#2
Gargamel Lucky Sailor Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Rome Posts: 4,273 Downloads: 81 Uploads: 0	Usually for me, depending on where I get assigned, fuel becomes an issue first. Unless, of course I'm in a target rich location. But I think I remember reading somewhere (Blair maybe?) that they tried to match the food load to the expected fuel usage. Iirc, somewhere around 2-3 months. But don't quote me on this. Edit: http://uboat.net/men/foodstuffs.htm Per that link, a IXC usually carried a 12 week supply. In game you would be hard pressed, short of being assigned to the sargasso sea, to keep torpedos for that long. __________________ Luck is a residue of Design.

12-31-11, 10:17 PM	#4
andwii Frogman Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Bridge of U-123 Posts: 300 Downloads: 76 Uploads: 0	idk how you guys can make it more then 20 days at sea. I always seem to be in within 15 days, or in a refuel station.

01-01-12, 09:15 AM	#8
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	But is it anywhere stated that any u-boat ended a patrol because they ran low on food? That's the real question. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

01-01-12, 10:12 AM	#9
PappyCain Samurai Navy Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: on the Atlantic Ocean Posts: 559 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I have read that in a true account. The only way they extended the patrol was to filtch fish at gunpoint with local fisherman. Especially when they transited to to S.A. and the Caribbean. You could not feed 40 men plus on what was provided, as cured meat was the only thing left - the flour and bread even spoiled and all fresh fruit was devoured in the first week. Add too a stinking hot boat, hot climate and black mold was an issue in all seas too, a major issue. What I suggest is that the food stores lost a fair percentage that was not consummed even if the weevils, maggots and larvae were picked off. __________________ DID, no cheats, no shortcuts, no non-historic equipment deviations. Boat and crew safety is integral with my immersion style! Follow the historic events during your patrol: http://www.uboat.net/today.html Last edited by PappyCain; 01-01-12 at 10:26 AM.

01-01-12, 10:15 AM	#10
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Source please. I've also read about fishing, stealing fish and of course killing polar bears. What those don't say was whether they did it because they had no food left or because they were tired of canned food. I've still not read of a patrol ending over lack of food. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

01-01-12, 10:30 AM	#11
PappyCain Samurai Navy Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: on the Atlantic Ocean Posts: 559 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	There is an excellent book on this subject: White, John F. U-Boat Tankers 1941-45 Submarine Suppliers to Atlantic Wolf Packs. Annapolis, MD: Naval Institute Press, 1998. ISBN: 1-55750-861-5. Copyright: John F. White, 1998 __________________ DID, no cheats, no shortcuts, no non-historic equipment deviations. Boat and crew safety is integral with my immersion style! Follow the historic events during your patrol: http://www.uboat.net/today.html Last edited by PappyCain; 01-01-12 at 11:37 AM.

01-01-12, 01:58 PM	#12
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	And? What does it say? __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

01-01-12, 04:00 PM	#14
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Thank you. That was what I was looking for. Now I can join the crowd asking for food as an option in the games. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo