Repeal of Obamacare

[Armistead]

It's known to everyone that obamacare will not be repealed, even if the house passes it, the senate won't and not near enough votes to stop a Pres Veto. Obvious it's a GOP political ploy, but everyone knows this debate won't do anything. Do you see it as a waste of time and money, since they could be debating other issues? This debate alone cost several million when each side pays to have their own numbers worked up, case studies, ect..

Really, it's just campaigning for the next election. I also read Obama will be the first to raise a billion for his next campaign.

[mookiemookie]

Political grandstanding.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Armistead

It's known to everyone that obamacare will not be repealed, even if the house passes it, the senate won't and not near enough votes to stop a Pres Veto. Obvious it's a GOP political ploy, but everyone knows this debate won't do anything. Do you see it as a waste of time and money, since they could be debating other issues? This debate alone cost several million when each side pays to have their own numbers worked up, case studies, ect..

Really, it's just campaigning for the next election. I also read Obama will be the first to raise a billion for his next campaign.

Not a waste of time, they campaigned on repeal and were elected, they are doing just that which I know is hard for many to swallow, politicians actually keeping their word once elected? shocking I know.Maddog pointed out we will also learn more of whats in this crappy, unconstitutional law that the last congress did not bother to read before passing.

The few good things will find their way into replacement health care law eventually.Repeal and Repass was what they ran on, we are seeing it in action.

[AVGWarhawk]

Repeal may not work but starving the 'plan' of money works. As stated above, they campaigned repeal. They are attempting to do so. Therefore, down the road, at least they can say they attempted it. However, short sighted America will forget.

[Armistead]

Missing the point, they have no chance..0% to repeal it, may pass in the house, but won't in the senate and Obama would veto it anyway, so it's political grandstanding. So why waste the time and money until you could actually do something....

I agree it has good and bad points, but that's not what's going on here, it's a wholesale repeal. If the GOP wanted to take the time to work on it, be a different subject.

[GoldenRivet]

the only chance of getting rid of Obama Care (which i think only parts of it should be scrapped) is if the United States Supreme Court rules it to be unconstitutional.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Armistead

Missing the point, they have no chance..0% to repeal it, may pass in the house, but won't in the senate and Obama would veto it anyway, so it's political grandstanding. So why waste the time and money until you could actually do something....

I agree it has good and bad points, but that's not what's going on here, it's a wholesale repeal. If the GOP wanted to take the time to work on it, be a different subject.

So you are suggesting that the bill should not really be looked at this go around? Just let it go and hope for the best? Perhaps if the bill was really read this time those that would oppose the repeal might see this bill in a different light. Perhaps seeing all those that were sent packing after the elections might wise up and think about voting in a repeal or suffer the same at the next election. It is not a waste of time at all IMO.

[RickC Sniper]

If the house votes to repeal it, the Senate should be forced to vote on it, so voters can hold their Senators accountable for his\her vote.

[August]

Originally Posted by RickC Sniper

If the house votes to repeal it, the Senate should be forced to vote on it, so voters can hold their Senators accountable for his\her vote.

That's the biggest thing this is likely to accomplish.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by RickC Sniper

If the house votes to repeal it, the Senate should be forced to vote on it, so voters can hold their Senators accountable for his\her vote.

Speaks truth!

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Armistead

Really, it's just campaigning for the next election.

This.

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Political grandstanding.

And this.

And personally, i think their also going against the health care reform:
a.) Out of spite.
b.) out of principle.
c.) Bill is probably bad for somebody's business. I haven't read up on the bill itself, can't say i give a crap either as i almost never go to the doctor, but i figure if Team R has their panties in a twist, corporate money is involved somewhere.

[GoldenRivet]

and what about team D?

if their panties are in a twist, does that mean that people who have money and work for a living aren't paying enough to support their constituents?

[MaddogK]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

This.


And this.

And personally, i think their also going against the health care reform:
a.) Out of spite.
b.) out of principle.
c.) Bill is probably bad for somebody's business. I haven't read up on the bill itself, can't say i give a crap either as i almost never go to the doctor, but i figure if Team R has their panties in a twist, corporate money is involved somewhere.

Most likely the 'R's are representing their constituents: the doctors.

Nearly two-thirds of U.S. doctors surveyed fear healthcare reform could worsen care for patients, by flooding their offices and hurting income, according to a Thomson Reuters survey released Tuesday.

The survey of more than 2,900 doctors found many predict the legislation will force them to work harder for less money.
"When asked about the quality of healthcare in the U.S. over the next five years, 65 percent of the doctors believed it would deteriorate with only 18 percent predicting it would improve," Thomson Reuters, parent company of Reuters, said in a statement.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

and what about team D?

if their panties are in a twist,

What about them? I haven't heard anything in the way of "OMG! WTFBBQ?!?!!" coming from them out on the issue. At least not that I've read. Are their panties in a twist? I doubt it. If they were, I think there probably would be a special interest group behind it somewhere instead of a corporation.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

What about them? I haven't heard anything in the way of "OMG! WTFBBQ?!?!!" coming from them out on the issue.

and you wouldn't, they are getting their way on the issue completely unchallenged and without compromise of any kind.

i think 90% of this complaining from the right would vanish overnight if participation were made less intrusive and more optional.