ObamaCare - The New Perspective

Aramike · 11-04-10, 04:08 AM

Now that the Democrats have been handily rebuked, we are left with the question of the healthcare bill passed last year. Republicans are singing "repeal" while Democrats are expressing little regret.

What say you? Repeal ObamaCare?

And if so, do you support ANY healthcare overhaul? What ideas do YOU have?

TLAM Strike · 11-04-10, 04:32 AM

I voted no because I would only support a repeal in place of a single payer system.

I don't think they have given any time to see if this new system even works.

Castout · 11-04-10, 04:37 AM

Send Obama here and we'll send you ours call it leaders exchange.

Only permanent. . .I'm not being subjective, emotional or fanatical about the person or even his personality as I don't believe in a man cult but what he's trying to accomplish and do. The other American leaders I'd love to have are Martin Luther King Jr and JFK but some Americans shot them to death for scaring them to death with their ideals . . .

Betonov · 11-04-10, 05:07 AM

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The law includes numerous health-related provisions to take effect over a four-year period, including prohibiting denial of coverage/claims based on pre-existing conditions,

If this is now not implemented and wont be if it is repelled, so this actaully means, that if I, having an asthma and a hightened cancer and diabetes risk due to fammily history, wouldnt get an insurance and probibly had to take a masive loan just to cover my medical bill if I brake my leg. I'm sorry my dear americans, but that is medieval

Skybird · 11-04-10, 05:47 AM

Bernanke wants to print another 900 billion, media report. Isn't that the real story to discuss?

In the end, the question of whether or not private persons have health insurrance in America, is of no direct importance for Europeans. What is of intrest for us is all American decision-making that effects the international economic and financial market, the deficit, the substantial structural problems, the attempt of the Fed to artifically devalue the dollar (ironiocally what they accuse the Chinese of), the debt burden. All these characteristics of present America - costs all other nations and economies much much money.

As long as the Fed is allowed to go on rampage whenever it wants, any disucssion about the costs of the health reform being too huge, is almost pointless, and more a controvery about pure ideologics.

Forbes magazine, btw, today has released it'S list of most powerful people in the world. 1st place is no longer the US president, but the Chinese premier Hu. With US finances constantly detoriating and leading the country into increasing dependency from foreign nations, that is unlikely to change again soon.

mookiemookie · 11-04-10, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Aramike

Now that the Democrats have been handily rebuked, we are left with the question of the healthcare bill passed last year.

No we're not left with that question at all. The Dem's still control the Senate and have veto power in the White House. It's not being repealed.

The CBO estimates that nationwide Romneycare will cut the deficit by $1.3 billion over 20 years. How would the newly-minted deficit hawks pay for a repeal?

I'm with TLAM - I would only be in favor of repeal in exchange for a single payer system. Make no mistake, this bill was a bloated piece of garbage written by insurance companies, but there are pieces of it that do good.

CaptainHaplo · 11-04-10, 08:07 AM

A repeal won't happen. Its red meat political posturing, but logistically there is no way to have it occur.

However, its important to remember that each portion of Congress has within its purvue certain responsibilities. The House of Representatives controls the purse strings. What you will see is the HoR refuse to fund the various agencies and points of the bill, keeping it from being implimented.

For example - the "clearance house" where private insurance and government insurance will both be "sold", will not be funded. The funds to allow for "governmental health insurance" will not have any fiscal allocation. So if its not funded, no one can get it - thus it doesn't exist.

Repeal? Not happening for at least 2 years. Dead in the water? Bet on it.

SteamWake · 11-04-10, 09:25 AM

A repeal most likely wont happen but I say put it to a vote and make them veto it.. make the left 'own' the legislation.

AVGWarhawk · 11-04-10, 09:26 AM

A total repeal will probably not happen however the pork and other goodies within the bill need to be removed. In short, the bill was crammed up our arses with little say. I would hope the bill is looked over again and change are made.

CaptainHaplo · 11-04-10, 09:32 AM

Oh the house will vote initially to repeal it - and the senate might actually PASS the repeal - but Obama will veto that. There will not be enough votes to override it. Once that is symbolically done, then you will see the House use the purse strings to kill it. They will also try to trim it, but nothing will get past Obama on that score. So it will have to be starved to be made to die.

Bubblehead1980 · 11-04-10, 02:31 PM

The bill needs to to absolutely be repealed for many reasons.The main reason is the law is unconstitutional due to the individual mandate.Several lawsuits are in the courts and will make it to SCOTUS where most likely obamacare will thrown out due to the mandate.Most Justices on SCOTUS care about the constitution still.

Other reasons are the costs....taxes on medical equipment etc that will drive costs up, not down, the money it will cost to expan medicare etc

Once Obamacare is out, can keep the few good things such as not being able to deny for prexisting conditions, can't be dropped, can stay on parents insurance until 26 etc.

This law is one of the biggest threats to this country's future and must be eliminated at all costs.

GoldenRivet · 11-04-10, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

No we're not left with that question at all. The Dem's still control the Senate and have veto power in the White House. It's not being repealed.

Yet.

While i agree we need some kind of reform... this bill was clearly not a bipartisan venture and is another welfare grab taking money from those who work, and giving it to those who dont. thats all it is.

we need reform... not THIS reform.

in fact i would almost 100% support the bill if i were not FORCED under duress to buy healthcare.

I shouldn't have to pay for your health care any more than you should have to pay for mine.

AVGWarhawk · 11-04-10, 03:38 PM

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No we're not left with that question at all. The Dem's still control the Senate and have veto power in the White House. It's not being repealed.

We have to understand that states are challenging this bill. I think by overwhelming majority of the voters and pressure on the new powers that be...this bill will die or be drastically changed.

GoldenRivet · 11-04-10, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

We have to understand that states are challenging this bill. I think by overwhelming majority of the voters and pressure on the new powers that be...this bill will die or be drastically changed.

even i say it shouldnt "die".

there are about a half dozen things worth keeping.

on the whole though. Get rid of the mandate, give me freedom of choice - and im all in.

yet the Dems wont even budge on that.

mookiemookie · 11-04-10, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

I shouldn't have to pay for your health care any more than you should have to pay for mine.

That's what insurance is. Cancel every insurance policy you have if you don't like it.

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11-04-10, 04:08 AM	#1
Aramike Ocean Warrior Best of SUBSIM Chairman Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 3,207 Downloads: 59 Uploads: 0	ObamaCare - The New Perspective Now that the Democrats have been handily rebuked, we are left with the question of the healthcare bill passed last year. Republicans are singing "repeal" while Democrats are expressing little regret. What say you? Repeal ObamaCare? And if so, do you support ANY healthcare overhaul? What ideas do YOU have?

11-04-10, 04:32 AM	#2
TLAM Strike Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Rochester, New York Posts: 8,633 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 6	I voted no because I would only support a repeal in place of a single payer system. I don't think they have given any time to see if this new system even works. __________________

11-04-10, 04:37 AM	#3
Castout Silent Hunter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Jakarta Posts: 4,794 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 6	Send Obama here and we'll send you ours call it leaders exchange. Only permanent. . .I'm not being subjective, emotional or fanatical about the person or even his personality as I don't believe in a man cult but what he's trying to accomplish and do. The other American leaders I'd love to have are Martin Luther King Jr and JFK but some Americans shot them to death for scaring them to death with their ideals . . . __________________ My blog: http://exposingsingapore.wordpress.com/

11-04-10, 05:47 AM	#5
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Bernanke wants to print another 900 billion, media report. Isn't that the real story to discuss? In the end, the question of whether or not private persons have health insurrance in America, is of no direct importance for Europeans. What is of intrest for us is all American decision-making that effects the international economic and financial market, the deficit, the substantial structural problems, the attempt of the Fed to artifically devalue the dollar (ironiocally what they accuse the Chinese of), the debt burden. All these characteristics of present America - costs all other nations and economies much much money. As long as the Fed is allowed to go on rampage whenever it wants, any disucssion about the costs of the health reform being too huge, is almost pointless, and more a controvery about pure ideologics. Forbes magazine, btw, today has released it'S list of most powerful people in the world. 1st place is no longer the US president, but the Chinese premier Hu. With US finances constantly detoriating and leading the country into increasing dependency from foreign nations, that is unlikely to change again soon. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

11-04-10, 08:07 AM	#7
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,404 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	A repeal won't happen. Its red meat political posturing, but logistically there is no way to have it occur. However, its important to remember that each portion of Congress has within its purvue certain responsibilities. The House of Representatives controls the purse strings. What you will see is the HoR refuse to fund the various agencies and points of the bill, keeping it from being implimented. For example - the "clearance house" where private insurance and government insurance will both be "sold", will not be funded. The funds to allow for "governmental health insurance" will not have any fiscal allocation. So if its not funded, no one can get it - thus it doesn't exist. Repeal? Not happening for at least 2 years. Dead in the water? Bet on it. __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo

11-04-10, 09:25 AM	#8
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	A repeal most likely wont happen but I say put it to a vote and make them veto it.. make the left 'own' the legislation. __________________ Follow the progress of Mr. Mulligan : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147648

11-04-10, 09:26 AM	#9
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,253 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	A total repeal will probably not happen however the pork and other goodies within the bill need to be removed. In short, the bill was crammed up our arses with little say. I would hope the bill is looked over again and change are made. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

11-04-10, 09:32 AM	#10
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,404 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	Oh the house will vote initially to repeal it - and the senate might actually PASS the repeal - but Obama will veto that. There will not be enough votes to override it. Once that is symbolically done, then you will see the House use the purse strings to kill it. They will also try to trim it, but nothing will get past Obama on that score. So it will have to be starved to be made to die. __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo

11-04-10, 02:31 PM	#11
Bubblehead1980 Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Florida USA Posts: 7,099 Downloads: 605 Uploads: 44	The bill needs to to absolutely be repealed for many reasons.The main reason is the law is unconstitutional due to the individual mandate.Several lawsuits are in the courts and will make it to SCOTUS where most likely obamacare will thrown out due to the mandate.Most Justices on SCOTUS care about the constitution still. Other reasons are the costs....taxes on medical equipment etc that will drive costs up, not down, the money it will cost to expan medicare etc Once Obamacare is out, can keep the few good things such as not being able to deny for prexisting conditions, can't be dropped, can stay on parents insurance until 26 etc. This law is one of the biggest threats to this country's future and must be eliminated at all costs.