Any linkin park fans?

the_tyrant · 10-04-10, 06:12 AM

who know what the sampled speeches are in A thousand suns?
thx

DarkFish · 10-04-10, 07:35 AM

Look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Thousand_Suns#Personnel (see the "Features" part)

But srsly, what the heck happened to LP!?!

They used to make pretty good Alternative Rock. But from their new album, literally the only thing I like are the Metalcore-like vocals on "Blackout". Now only if that song had some decent guitar...

They used to have some pretty good songs. "What I've Done", "New Divide"... even the last part of "In The End" was good enough to bear with the (c)rap in the first 1.5 minute. But now it seems they can't make anything good anymore

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JU_88 · 10-04-10, 07:45 AM

As these angry white boy bands go Linkin Park are ok, but im not crazy about them, I guess prefered System of down back in the day.

Not really in to metal so much these days anyway, more in to old the old U.S punk and psychobilly

Im listening to the Ramones, Dead kennedys and the Cramps alot, thankfully some 80's bands had the sense to stay away from nasty sythensisers

DarkFish · 10-04-10, 07:59 AM

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Not really in to metal so much these days anyway, more in to old the old U.S punk and psychobilly

Good thing then that LP isn't Metal

Seriously, they've never been anywhere near metal and they never will.

JU_88 · 10-04-10, 08:52 AM

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Good thing then that LP isn't Metal

Seriously, they've never been anywhere near metal and they never will.

Then I really dont know what genre you would call them as 'Alternative Rock' is a bit too general in this day an age.
LP are infulenced by nu-metal (rap metal), which is influenced by metal and ...drum roll... Rap.

Its like the way a band like 'Greenday' are not really a punk to the ear, but it is still where they originated from.
imo bands like LP and Greenday etc are maybe sub-genres at best, they took there style from someplace and made a few alterations, they did not really create something band new.

DarkFish · 10-04-10, 09:16 AM

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Then I really dont know what genre you would call them as 'Alternative Rock' is a bit too general in this day an age.
LP are infulenced by nu-metal (rap metal), which is influenced by metal and ...drum roll... Rap.

Its like the way a band like 'Greenday' are not really a punk to the ear, but it is still where they originated from.
imo bands like LP and Greenday etc are maybe sub-genres at best, they took there style from someplace and made a few alterations, they did not really create something band new.

First of all - you are not insinuating Metal is a subgenre of Alternative Rock, are you?

Secondly, Alternative Rock is not as general as you seem to think.

LP is (was) Alternative Rock. Some of their early songs were "nu-metal" (nu-metal is barely metal anyway) influenced, but they never reached Metal.
And they're not an own subgenre of Metal either, they're simply not Metal. For something to be a subgenre, it has to have some of the defining characteristics of the "main genre". LP doesn't have any of the characteristics of Metal.
They do have the characteristics of Alernative Rock though.

Green Day is Alternative Rock-influenced Pop Punk.

JU_88 · 10-04-10, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkFish

First of all - you are not insinuating Metal is a subgenre of Alternative Rock, are you?

Secondly, Alternative Rock is not as general as you seem to think.

LP is (was) Alternative Rock. Some of their early songs were "nu-metal" (nu-metal is barely metal anyway) influenced, but they never reached Metal.
And they're not an own subgenre of Metal either, they're simply not Metal. For something to be a subgenre, it has to have some of the defining characteristics of the "main genre". LP doesn't have any of the characteristics of Metal.
They do have the characteristics of Alernative Rock though.

Green Day is Alternative Rock-influenced Pop Punk.

LP definataly had a nu metal edge to their sound when they first hit the scene, now i dont know, I ve not heard ther latest stuff.
but google them and you will find that nu metal is still what alot people use to describe them.
(reputations stick i guess.)

Not insinuating anything about Metal though, to me 'Alternative rock' couldnt be more vague if it tried.
It is a kind of 'meh' catagory when no one knows what to lable it

Both Greenday and LP are good examples of this, they both fall under the 'alternative rock' catagory yet they sound worlds apart (when i last checked anyway)

'Alternative' means just that i guess, an alternative to <whatever>.
and Rock just means a guitar & drum outfit. if thats not general I dont know what is.

And Greenday were not influcenced by pop-punk since the term 'pop-punk' was pretty much invented to describe them (and the Offsping) in the 90's
Billie Joe Armstrong grew up listening to bands like the Clash, the Ramones and other 70s/80s era Punk bands. The term 'pop-punk' didnt really exist back then.
But its true that a bands influence and their actual sound can often be two different things.

Sledgehammer427 · 10-04-10, 12:07 PM

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Alternative Rock-influenced Pop Punk

that is the longest genre name I have ever heard.

antikristuseke · 10-04-10, 12:20 PM

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But srsly, what the heck happened to LP!?!

They used to make pretty good Alternative Rock.

No, they have allways sucked.

CCIP · 10-04-10, 12:24 PM

Nope, never been a fan, although I do think they had some good songs. They're not actually terrible, but I think they've always lacked the creativity or chops to produce even a single consisntently-good album. I was hoping they'd grow out of it, but instead they got popular. Which meant they've just kept doing what they have all along, which is really not good for them.

The only heavy alt-rock band that I've ever been a big fan of is Muse.

Weiss Pinguin · 10-04-10, 01:45 PM

frau kaleun · 10-04-10, 02:26 PM

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No, they have allways sucked.

This.

Every LP song I've ever heard sounds pretty much like every other LP song I've ever heard. They all seem to consist of several verses of angry, whiny attempts at rapping, each one followed by a chorus of angry, whiny attempts at singing.

CCIP · 10-04-10, 02:53 PM

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I'd have to agree that Hide Your Wife Hide Your Kids is the best song ever produced by "Linkin Park", by far

Ducimus · 10-04-10, 04:06 PM

I only like their song, "In the end" because it was pretty much a tits on description of my military career. Rest of their stuff, I didn't much care for.

Takeda Shingen · 10-04-10, 04:09 PM

I completely keep forgetting that you're a former serviceman, Ducimus. I don't know why; you have always struck me as decent and honorable, so there is no reason why I wouldn't think of you as one who has served. A fault of mine.

10-04-10, 06:12 AM	#1
the_tyrant Admiral Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 2,272 Downloads: 58 Uploads: 0	Any linkin park fans? who know what the sampled speeches are in A thousand suns? thx

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DarkFish Sea Lord Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Stinking drunk in Eindhoven, the Netherlands Posts: 1,844 Downloads: 28 Uploads: 0	Look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Thousand_Suns#Personnel (see the "Features" part) But srsly, what the heck happened to LP!?! They used to make pretty good Alternative Rock. But from their new album, literally the only thing I like are the Metalcore-like vocals on "Blackout". Now only if that song had some decent guitar... They used to have some pretty good songs. "What I've Done", "New Divide"... even the last part of "In The End" was good enough to bear with the (c)rap in the first 1.5 minute. But now it seems they can't make anything good anymore. __________________

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CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Nope, never been a fan, although I do think they had some good songs. They're not actually terrible, but I think they've always lacked the creativity or chops to produce even a single consisntently-good album. I was hoping they'd grow out of it, but instead they got popular. Which meant they've just kept doing what they have all along, which is really not good for them. The only heavy alt-rock band that I've ever been a big fan of is Muse. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

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JU_88 Silent Hunter Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: UK Posts: 3,803 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	As these angry white boy bands go Linkin Park are ok, but im not crazy about them, I guess prefered System of down back in the day. Not really in to metal so much these days anyway, more in to old the old U.S punk and psychobilly Im listening to the Ramones, Dead kennedys and the Cramps alot, thankfully some 80's bands had the sense to stay away from nasty sythensisers

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Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	I only like their song, "In the end" because it was pretty much a tits on description of my military career. Rest of their stuff, I didn't much care for.

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Takeda Shingen Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 8,643 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	I completely keep forgetting that you're a former serviceman, Ducimus. I don't know why; you have always struck me as decent and honorable, so there is no reason why I wouldn't think of you as one who has served. A fault of mine.