Marxisim fails yet again

[August]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews

N. Korea lifts restrictions on private markets to prevent famine

By Chico Harlan
Washington Post Foreign Service
Friday, June 18, 2010; 4:27 PM

SEOUL -- Bowing to reality, the North Korean government has lifted all restrictions on private markets -- a last-resort option for a leadership desperate to prevent its people from starving.

[krashkart]

I am so glad I wasn't born in that bassackwards place. Did they run out of grass to boil?

Good news.

But . . .
Socialism is next in line for failure.
That does include us, and US.

[nikimcbee]

See Lenin and NEP

[nikimcbee]

...and on a side note, I'm waiting for our comrade in chief to announce his 5 year plans

[STEED]

Just a backward country NK is.

[Respenus]

I wish for something to be answered by my American colleagues here. What, if any, education in the field of political ideology did you get? Because the more you rant about Obama being a socialist and NK being a Marxist country, the more I realise that McCarthy has done a damn good job over the Atlantic. If any totalitarian regime in Europe had managed to do the same, I'm doubtful we would have any "free" countries left in the world.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by krashkart

I am so glad I wasn't born in that bassackwards place. Did they run out of grass to boil?

LOL

Chances are if markets are seen to flourish there'll be another re-evaluation of the currency to reign them in again.

[DarkFish]

Originally Posted by Snestorm

But . . .
Socialism is next in line for failure.
That does include us, and US.

I disagree with that. I hope you do know Obama is not nearly a socialist?

But yeah, Marxism fails

[UnderseaLcpl]

Originally Posted by Respenus

I wish for something to be answered by my American colleagues here. What, if any, education in the field of political ideology did you get?

That depends upon the level of education attained. For high school graduates, I suspect the answer would be "not much", or "what's idealolog-og-whatever?" It's no secret that our public schools are not up to par. For high school graduates in this particular community, I'd expect a rational discourse on the nature of the political spectrum and an ability to identify the major beliefs of all the -isms. Students with higher education are anyone's guess, based upon what they studied, but they'd at least have a serviceable high school education on the subject. Why, what were you taught?

Because the more you rant about Obama being a socialist and NK being a Marxist country, the more I realise that McCarthy has done a damn good job over the Atlantic. If any totalitarian regime in Europe had managed to do the same, I'm doubtful we would have any "free" countries left in the world.

Socialism, Marxism, and Communism are all used pretty interchangeably in the US, and they should be since they all lead to the same things to some degree or another, even though Marxism and Communism have never really existed.

Now here's a question for you: What kind of education did you recieve in economics?

[mookiemookie]

North Korea is authoritarian dictatorship. You can't mix that up with communism. Communism is an abolishment of the social class structure with property belonging to everyone. It's a social system and not a political model.

The moment you have a dictator such as Kim Jong Il, you cease to be a communist state. There's a class distinction there. He's enacting his will on the people - the very opposite of what communism is. Calling NK a "communist" state is about as much of a misnomer as calling it the "Democratic Republic of North Korea."

[Méo]

oh, marxisim will not fail, be afraid !! http://www.homefront-game.com/#/home




...what a crappy scenario.

[August]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Communism is an abolishment of the social class structure with property belonging to everyone. It's a social system and not a political model.

Well you can't have one without the other Mookie.

After all how does one "abolish" a social class structure? How does one prevent people from withholding the property in their possession from others?

Both of these actions require enforcement to achieve and maintain.

Enforcement means a political model.

The more extensive the abolishment, the more wide ranging definition of "public" property, the more authoritarian the government required.

Originally Posted by DarkFish

I disagree with that. I hope you do know Obama is not nearly a socialist?

But yeah, Marxism fails

My comment wasn't targetted at Obama, or any other individual.
It was simply a reminder that our socialist states are also on the road to economic collapse, and USA has become just as much a socialist state, as the european states.

Socialism is self-destructive, and it's our generations that are going to pick up the bill when it finaly implodes. IMO, socialism sucks.

[UnderseaLcpl]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

The moment you have a dictator such as Kim Jong Il, you cease to be a communist state. There's a class distinction there. He's enacting his will on the people - the very opposite of what communism is. Calling NK a "communist" state is about as much of a misnomer as calling it the "Democratic Republic of North Korea."

I wouldn't call it a misnomer, since they never make it out of the "transitional" socialist phase. Socialism is as communist as communism ever gets, hence why many use the terms interchangeably. Both communism and all types of socialism are based at least in some way on Marxism, so again the terms are used interchangeably. Communists themselves refer to themselves as socialists half the time. I fail to see the significance of the semantics in anything other than an academic context.

It is my earnest hope that someday I'll be able to use all forms of the idea of socialism interchangeably with the word "fail", though I don't see that ever happening. The idea is as powerful as what it is based upon - the promise of free stuff.