Why you are going to buy SH5 anyway

[Vanagen]

You're upset about the DRM. I know. We all are. I bet Ubisoft is pretty upset about it too.

That said, Ubisoft knows that, in spite of the uproar, you will buy their game. Actually, the uproar only confirms how badly you want to buy it. Any concession at all on their part will be seen as a gift from heaven.

And whether you realise it or not, the only time Ubisoft will start to worry about customers is when you stop bitching. That's when you've lost interest in their product.



Allow me to reiterate why you are going to buy SH5 anyway.


1. Silent Hunter V is going to be an awesome next-gen subsim. Also, it's going to be the only next-gen sub game. Heck, chances are this will be the last big budget subsim for a long, long time. Even if it isn't realistic enough to your likings out of the box, it'll be an awesome base for GWX type mods to build upon.


2. Deep down, you realise that the online "DRM" is necessary and that it truly is the only feasible way commercial PC games can survive in a market saturated with piracy.


3. As much as you think that this forum is making a difference, it isn't. You are the hardest core, sure, but Ubisoft caters to a much bigger crowd, even with this game. You're a vocal minority at best and you will be swayed into buying the game anyway, simply because there is no alternative.

I'm not saying that you are weak. I'm only saying that, as consumers, the laws of supply and demand simply dictate that you will indeed satisfy your needs with this game.


Remember the Modern Warfare 2 boycott?

(click for larger image)




So who am I siding with?

You?

Ubisoft?



No one, really. You both have valid arguments.

When all is said and done, though, this is still the current state of affairs. PC gaming has evolved tremendously in the past years. And if it doesn't keep on adapting, it will die out entirely, and everyone who wants to game on his PC will be playing oldies or subscribe to World of Warcraft.

I know that asking you not to "live in the past" is ironic considering the subject matter of the Silent Hunter series, although it is exactly what you must do.

The choice is yours.

[stabiz]

A bit preachy but I get your point. Lots of the nay-sayers will probably end up buying despite the DRM, I will not though.

[urfisch]

Originally Posted by Vanagen

You're upset about the DRM. I know. We all are. I bet Ubisoft is pretty upset about it too.

That said, Ubisoft knows that, in spite of the uproar, you will buy their game. Actually, the uproar only confirms how badly you want to buy it. Any concession at all on their part will be seen as a gift from heaven.

And whether you realise it or not, the only time Ubisoft will start to worry about customers is when you stop bitching. That's when you've lost interest in their product.



Allow me to reiterate why you are going to buy SH5 anyway.


1. Silent Hunter V is going to be an awesome next-gen subsim. Also, it's going to be the only next-gen sub game. Heck, chances are this will be the last big budget subsim for a long, long time. Even if it isn't realistic enough to your likings out of the box, it'll be an awesome base for GWX type mods to build upon.


2. Deep down, you realise that the online "DRM" is necessary and that it truly is the only feasable way commercial PC games can survive in a market saturated with piracy.


3. As much as you think that this forum is making a difference, it isn't. You are the hardest core, sure, but Ubisoft caters to a much bigger crowd, even with this game. You're a vocal minority at best and you will be swayed into buying the game anyway, simply because there is no alternative.

I'm not saying that you are weak. I'm only saying that, as consumers, the laws of supply and demand simply dictate that you will indeed satisfy your needs with this game.


Remember the Modern Warfare 2 boycott?

(click for larger image)




So who am I siding with?

You?

Ubisoft?



No one, really. You both have valid arguments.

When all is said and done, though, this is still the current state of affairs. PC gaming has evolved tremendously in the past years. And if it doesn't keep on adapting, it will die out entirely, and everyone who wants to game on his PC will be playing oldies or subscribe to World of Warcraft.

I know that asking you not to "live in the past" is ironic considering the subject matter of the Silent Hunter series, although it is exactly what you must do.

The choice is yours.

lol@the pic!

many are so weak...i cant believe it. but this seems to be a human nature thing. most gamers are addicted and need more and more drugs, to manage the day. without them, most become lone and suffering creatures.

i wont buy it, until it is proofed, the game is perfectly modable!!! otherwise i lend a copy of this thing to have a nice weekend.

[Vanagen]

Originally Posted by urfisch

lol@the pic!

many are so weak...i cant believe it. but this seems to be a human nature thing. most gamers are addicted and need more and more drugs, to manage the day. without them, most become lone and suffering creatures.

i wont buy it, until it is proofed, the game is perfectly modable!!! otherwise i lend a copy of this thing to have a nice weekend.

We are not weak. We are consumers.

This is capitalism. And of all the terrible systems people inflict upon themselves, capitalism is still the least terrible one.

It's also the one system that guarantees to provide pretty decent end-user products.



In the end, you'd have to be mad to be both a PC gamer and a subsim enthusiast and somehow resist to buy this game.

If you can indeed resist, kudos to you and your extraordinary moral fiber.

As for me, I'll be indulging myself in my 1:1 campaign.

[Letum]

Didn't buy ROF.
They are now removing online DRM.

Won't buy SHV.
Watch this space.

I know for a fact that the events on this forum are making a difference.

The Subsim crowd stand by their word a little better than the MW2 rabble.

[HundertzehnGustav]

what a heap of philiosophical text.

its not capitalism, nor the gaming or PC industry

Its my life.
Its my Choice
Its my freedom.

Once i can get what i want for the proice i want to pay, i will do so.

Dont tell me what i, or others will do. just dont go there, please.

[IanC]

Originally Posted by Letum

Didn't buy ROF.
They are now removing online DRM.

Won't buy SHV.
Watch this space.

I know for a fact that the events on this forum are making a difference.

The Subsim crowd stand by their word a little better than the MW2 rabble.

[fromhell]

i totally agree

[Chad]

Well I have personally met 3 of the developers, and understand the time and pain they have gone through to make this game. I want to support them, as a friend, more than an anonymous company.

Not only that, but Silent Hunter 5 has so much promise, something I wish I could of contributed to, and as such, I'll contribute my part in purchasing SH5 and maybe release a mod or two, to the few people who do go ahead and purchase SH5.

I had dialup until last year, and I would, still purchase SH5 and deal with no phone for hours on time if I had to play. There's always my cell phone

[Vanagen]

Originally Posted by Letum

Didn't buy ROF.
They are now removing online DRM.

NeoQB succeeded in preventing prerelease piracy. As far as I'm concerned, their game still hasn't been pirated.

Now that the piracy groups don't care about it anymore, it's time they did indeed remove the DRM to get even more sales.

It proves that the business model works.

Originally Posted by Letum

I know for a fact that the events on this forum are making a difference.

The Subsim crowd stand by their word a little better than the MW2 rabble.

Care to convey these facts to us? I'm very interested.

As for the adamant Subsimmers, I can only commend you on your moral fiber compared to the MW2 "rabble".

Especially considering that the MW2 crowd had a lot of alternatives to choose from.

what a heap of philiosophical text.

its not capitalism, nor the gaming or PC industry

Its my life.
Its my Choice
Its my freedom.

Once i can get what i want for the proice i want to pay, i will do so.

Dont tell me what i, or others will do. just dont go there, please.

Who's being philosophical now?

I said so in my initial post that the choice is yours.



And I apologise for hitting so close to home. I know that this is a very sensitive topic; these are the realities of life.

I'm not telling you what to do. I'm telling you what you will very likely do to yourself. And what I will definitely do.

Still, if you resist, more power to you.

[HundertzehnGustav]

Then do not suggest things to others, and put up analogies to what happened to other games...
Analogies i do not understand, nor am willing to learn.

I went philosofic to get down to the basic lifestyle, and explain why i do not like your, nor any other suggestion that i will "give in eventually"

I know what i want. If they give me what i want, i will get it. Thats not giving in, or giving up resistance or anything. Thats just one Guy having made up his mind in accordance to his beliefs, and sticking to them.

[miner1436]

I don't know if the modern warfare 2 boycott is a good comparison, the PC crowd for MW2 was only a portion of the players: they also sold to other platforms besides the PC, the week one sales for modern warfare 2 on the Xbox 360 alone came to 5,500,000 copies, where as SHV only has one crowd to please: the PC gamers.

[ETR3(SS)]

My two cents here. From what I can tell the requirement to be online itself isn't DRM. There's a hidden factor that we won't know about until release that will put the "DRM" into prospective. My guess is a WoW type account key to go with your Ubi account. So as it stands right now, there is no DRM with SH5. Just something to chew on.

[Vanagen]

Originally Posted by HundertzehnGustav

Then do not suggest things to others, and put up analogies to what happened to other games...
Analogies i do not understand, nor am willing to learn.

I went philosofic to get down to the basic lifestyle, and explain why i do not like your, nor any other suggestion that i will "give in eventually"

I know what i want. If they give me what i want, i will get it. Thats not giving in, or giving up resistance or anything. Thats just one Guy having made up his mind in accordance to his beliefs, and sticking to them.

Once again, I commend you for your moral fiber.

And if you do end up buying the game in spite of the DRM, I won't judge you either.

I'm not suggesting anything, I'm simply reiterating what has happened countless times before this entire 'DRM drama'.

People tend to bitch and indeed give in eventually, even if they have a choice.

Originally Posted by miner1436

I don't know if the modern warfare 2 boycott is a good comparison, the PC crowd for MW2 was only a portion of the players: they also sold to other platforms besides the PC, the week one sales for modern warfare 2 on the Xbox 360 alone came to 5,500,000 copies, where as SHV only has one crowd to please: the PC gamers.

Yes, you are absolutely right, of course. They were different circumstances and different issues to begin with, but I wanted a strong image from recent memory. Well, for people who follow PC gaming, that is.

Also, the MW2 people have a lot of first person shooters to choose from.

We have just this one subsim.

Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

My two cents here. From what I can tell the requirement to be online itself isn't DRM. There's a hidden factor that we won't know about until release that will put the "DRM" into prospective. My guess is a WoW type account key to go with your Ubi account. So as it stands right now, there is no DRM with SH5. Just something to chew on.

Your common sense and logic have no place on this forum!

Begone, foul demon!

[IanC]

Originally Posted by Chad

I had dialup until last year, and I would, still purchase SH5 and deal with no phone for hours on time if I had to play. There's always my cell phone

No SH5 for dialup.