He calls it racism...

[Skybird]

... and I think since quite a while now that that assessment is absolutely right. The level of totally derailed hostility and almost irrational hate tirades against Obama, comparing him to the worst criminals and massmurderes in the history of mankind, cannot be just differing opinion.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8258011.stm

What you see in many pictures about opposition to Obama, his policy or his person, often is nothing else but unveiled hate. That Republicans line up with such sentiments tells you somethign about their political self-understanding and missionary spirit that makes them believe that they and only they have the right to hold power, and that voting against them is almost unnatural.

That there would be angry opposition to Obama, was to be expected. But that it reaches that far, would bturn so shamelessly public and unhidden, becomes so unforgivingly hostile and irrational and hysteric, is a big desillusionment about the United States's freedom and political culture.

One would wish that quite some Americans would live for one or two decades under a Stalin or Nazi regime or in a death camp and suffer from tyranny and supression. Just that they get an idea of what it is that they accuse Obama of.

Somebody who abuses his freedoms for such excesses as we see in the opposition to Obama, must accept the question if he is really ripe enogh to deserve them.

And no, I am no big Obama fan, I see his record so far very critically, and in parts as misled and dangerous. I always said he is a great speaker, but as a political acxtor is overestimated, so that he necessarily must fail. and in parts that is his own guilt, since he certainly helped to push expectations up beyond what was reasonable.

In germany, not few comparisons and hate-fiulled tirades that get fired would lead to persons ending at court, for incitement of the people, and slandering and character assassination.

[MothBalls]

And he's right.... It's been obvious since before the election. It just took someone with enough credibility and nothing to lose to finally say it. If anyone else stood up and said this it would be the end of their political career. He doesn't have one so he can say anything he wants.

The country really wasn't ready for anything other than the stereotypical President, an old white Christian male,.... until McCain picked Palin. Given that choice, he got elected because he was the lesser of two evils.

If Palin ends up running for president and her party nominates her, I'm gone. I'll go rent a room from Skybird and live in Germany.

[Oberon]

I predict thread nosedive in approximately three-four hours.

[AVGWarhawk]

Wrong on two counts:

Skybird...it is not a racial thing with Obama...it is a to radical thing with Obama. He wants to change the entire face of the US in one fell swoop. He is spending like mad and it does not look like any thought is going into it. Congress approval rating is what 35%? Obama approval rating is what 54%? How then is this racial with an approval rating like this? There is a small segament in this society that we can equivically say is racist towards Obama. Then again every President had their detractors no matter what color they are. Pulling the race card with an approval rating over 50% does not make for good math....I take it with a grain of salt that Jimmy Carter is saying this. Jimmy is one of the top 5 worst presidents the US has had IMO.

The country really wasn't ready for anything other than the stereotypical President, an old white Christian male,.... until McCain picked Palin. Given that choice, he got elected because he was the lesser of two evils.

Not true...Obama outsmarted McCains camp. He played a good hand. Every major city in America was targeted. In the major cities live democrates who for the most part would not normally vote. Obama got them out to vote. He even got smart and used every major media outlet he could find. The most influential being the internet. He won because of his excellent feel good speeches. McCain had not much to offer but the old school politics. Obama is young, fresh and inspiring. These traits helped win the white house. Obama would have one even if McCain had George Washington as a running mate.

[August]

Gee, where was Skydivers moral outrage during 8 whole years of "Bush = teh hitlerz"?

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by August

Gee, where was Skydivers moral outrage during 8 whole years of "Bush = teh hitlerz"?

From what I understand Germany is quite racial:

A black politician in Germany vowed Thursday to continue campaigning for Chancellor Angela Merkel's party despite suffering racial abuse from far-right opponents.

http://www.blnz.com/news/2009/08/13/...cist_7244.html

[Thomen]

Originally Posted by Skybird

... and I think since quite a while now that that assessment is absolutely right. The level of totally derailed hostility and almost irrational hate tirades against Obama, comparing him to the worst criminals and massmurderes in the history of mankind, cannot be just differing opinion.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8258011.stm

What you see in many pictures about opposition to Obama, his policy or his person, often is nothing else but unveiled hate. That Republicans line up with such sentiments tells you somethign about their political self-understanding and missionary spirit that makes them believe that they and only they have the right to hold power, and that voting against them is almost unnatural.

That there would be angry opposition to Obama, was to be expected. But that it reaches that far, would bturn so shamelessly public and unhidden, becomes so unforgivingly hostile and irrational and hysteric, is a big desillusionment about the United States's freedom and political culture.



Somebody who abuses his freedoms for such excesses as we see in the opposition to Obama, must accept the question if he is really ripe enogh to deserve them.

Welcome to the land of politcal double standards.. where one is a hero for displaying hostility against Bush and Israel, and a racist for criticing Obama.


Pictures from:

http://www.ringospictures.com/index.php?page=20090816

And no, I am no big Obama fan, I see his record so far very critically, and in parts as misled and dangerous. I always said he is a great speaker, but as a political acxtor is overestimated, so that he necessarily must fail. and in parts that is his own guilt, since he certainly helped to push expectations up beyond what was reasonable.

And that, would make you for some on the fringe left a... wait for it... a racist.

[AVGWarhawk]

Dang Thomen....you pretty much nailed it on the head. Double standard certainly. We will chalk it up to the long term memory loss that Americans seem to have inherited through the years. We will chalk it up to complete memory loss and babblings of an old man named Jimmy Carter.

Someone has gone off the reservation when it comes to the narrative of what racism is all about. Oops, I used the word reservation.

[roman2440]

When I see a promenent democrat decry a republican outburst as racism, all I really see is a fearfull group that realizes that outburst has got their dream boy by the balls. I see a last ditch effort to detract from the validity of the outburst.

How can a character truth be racism? His outburst was not directed at a race. Also consider would that remark have been made if Obama was a white president touting the same healthcare plan? I think so. Just look to previous presidential speeches and outburst and other such shenanigans by both sides when the other side is in power. The outburst was a political move and not racially motivated at all.

This is the democrat bandwagon circling around defend one of their own. Trying to cover up truth about Obama's character and his long term intentions in this bill/speech, all in an effort to preserve the power of the democratic party.

[SteamWake]

Jimmay Carter = Prominent Democrat

Wow I knew they had troubles but ... just wow.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Skybird

... and I think since quite a while now that that assessment is absolutely right. The level of totally derailed hostility and almost irrational hate tirades against Obama, comparing him to the worst criminals and massmurderes in the history of mankind, cannot be just differing opinion.

Your analysis is some of the worst I've seen on this matter. It's utter nonsense really. The fact is, alot worse has been said about the previous President. And worse comparisons made. Even though I think comparing different Presidents to Germany's Hitler is not exactly appropriate, it's safe to say Obama is overreaching in many areas, and is attempting unnecessary fundamental changes not compatible with freedom or prosperity. More like mass government dependancy and welfare.

And it doesn't help with the people he's surrounded himself with. Communists (Van Jones), outright racists (Wright) and leftwing loonies (ala Cass Sunstein). It's the policy and people within ultimately that people are ticked off with. Your opinion on it is merely a diversion....and just outright nonsense.

This analysis is just crap. Yeah, I would be okay with these hideous Democrat policies if they were coming from a white man.

Get real dude.

[Skybird]

Trying to score by tricks again? Carter did not link his racism remark to the "You lie-incident" in the way it is misquoted since then. In fact Carter said that part of the general attacks on Obama and the allout opposition to him is based on racism.

Originally Posted by BBC article originally linked

Former US President Jimmy Carter says much of the vitriol against President Barack Obama's health reforms and spending plans is "based on racism".
(...)
Angry town hall meetings and a recent taxpayers' demonstration in Washington have been vitriolic towards the president, reports the BBC's North America editor Mark Mardell.
Many have not just protested against the president's policies but have accused him of tyranny, and have promised to "reclaim America".
"Those kind of things are not just casual outcomes of a sincere debate on whether we should have a national programme on healthcare," Mr Carter said at a public meeting at his Carter Center in Atlanta held prior to the Congress vote on Tuesday.
"It's deeper than that."

Responding to a question specifically on Mr Wilson's outburst, he said Mr Obama was the head of state as well as the head of government and - like heads of state elsewhere - he should be "treated with respect".
It was a "dastardly thing to do", he said.

That'S how I recall it very precisely. That's what the BBC-article quoted him with.

And even propaganda..com had to hide in its text that that is what Carter said:

Originally Posted by politico.com

“By the way, that’s not what I said,” Carter interjected as he was being asked about the comment. “If you read the remarks carefully, you’ll see that’s not what I said.”

“I said those that had a personal attack on President Obama as a person, that was tinged with racism,” Carter explained. “But I recognize that people who disagree with him on health care or the environment, that the vast majority of those are not tinged by racism.”

“I meant exactly what I said,” he continued. “What I actually said, if you look at the transcript, is what I just repeated to you.”

To characterise Carter correcting the magazine misquoting him as "Carter backing away from former staztements he gave in reply to Wilson", is simply - a lie, in the end. If they write that "Carter touched off a firestorm three weeks ago when he said Rep. Joe Wilson’s (R-S.C.) “You Lie!” outburst was “based on racism” ", then this is simply not true this way, and is an example of extremely bad and biased, distorting propaganda-journalism that FOX and other Republican sources are very happy with if only it serves their interests.

There is no doubt that Carter did not reply in explicit reaction to the you-lie-incident. but possible that interested rightwinged amrican media and sources try to make it appear as that. Lovely. And so honest.

[SteamWake]

Ive heard the audio and Jimmay said something about 'vast majority being racilay motivated' now he recants.

Nah no trickery here Jimmay stepped in it it just took him a couple of weeks to realize it.

Two videos

Wednesday, 16 September 2009

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8258011.stm

10/1/09 2:30 PM EDT

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/27808.html

What did he say in video #1? "There is an inherent feeling among many in this country that an African-American should not be president"

In video #2 he claims to mean what he said in video #1

A personal, some crazy 'p' word, attack he is just trying to lie his way out of his senility. Sorry not buying it.

He called everyone who disagrees with Obama a racist.