interiors - a concern.

misfitdreamer · 11-24-09, 12:39 PM

i think it's great that ubisoft is modelling the entire uboat interiors. thats definitely going to provide alot of immersion as you'll be able to see crew activities performed. however, take a look at these two screenshots - one of sh5 and the other of sh3.

is it just me, or do the interiors in sh5 look less detailed and more simplified than the interior command room of sh3? i suppose that they might need to be simplified to conserve ram (as more rooms are now being modelled). and it looks as if the player models are of higher quality too. i guess what makes me nervous is that with a sequel quality shouldn't be taken away because of new features. the quality should be improved and built on top of. but that is my take, what do you guys think ?

PL_Andrev · 11-24-09, 12:46 PM

Wait for next screens or SH5 movie.
This is too complicated to find differences between these models now.
Please remember SH5 screen was made during production.

Arclight · 11-24-09, 01:04 PM

From what I can tell from the comparison, level of detail is at least equal. SH5 looks a lot better though.

But you're right; they might have toned it down a little to be able to model the whole boat without requiring a 1GB card as minimum.

I think I prefer being able to roam the boat, compared to being confined to CR & CT.

GoldenRivet · 11-24-09, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Arclight

From what I can tell from the comparison, level of detail is at least equal. SH5 looks a lot better though.

But you're right; they might have toned it down a little to be able to model the whole boat without requiring a 1GB card as minimum.

I think I prefer being able to roam the boat, compared to being confined to CR & CT.

Agreed.

also as Antar said.... the SH5 screenshot was taken during production and does not necessarily represent a finished game.

karamazovnew · 11-24-09, 01:47 PM

I agree that the SH3 interiors were expertly done. Some of those modelers must've banged their heads on the walls when it was decided not to allow movement through the sub

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The SH5 interior has much better rounded objects. It has probably twice as many polygons. It has superb dynamic lighting as opposed to shadow textures. The textures seem to be twice the resolution. I mean, just look how well the dials look. It needs to be much cleaner because this time you and the crew will move around and collide with the objects. So even though the interiors will not look as photorealistic as the ones in SH4 (the fleet boats), they are a huge leap forward from SH3

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Jimbuna · 11-24-09, 02:55 PM

The comparison when SH5 is released should be an interesting one....though I'm still extremely hopeful of a good looking SH5 interior.

shegeek72 · 11-30-09, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Arclight

From what I can tell from the comparison, level of detail is at least equal. SH5 looks a lot better though.

But you're right; they might have toned it down a little to be able to model the whole boat without requiring a 1GB card as minimum.

I think I prefer being able to roam the boat, compared to being confined to CR & CT.

At the rate computer power is advancing 1GB (or 2 512MB) vid cards shouldn't be cost prohibitive when SH5 is released.

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Kpt. Lehmann · 11-30-09, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by shegeek72

At the rate computer power is advancing 1GB (or 2 512MB) vid cards shouldn't be cost prohibitive when SH5 is released.

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LOL! As long as you aren't trying to get by on Paramedic pay.

Arclight · 11-30-09, 03:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shegeek72

At the rate computer power is advancing 1GB (or 2 512MB) vid cards shouldn't be cost prohibitive when SH5 is released.

2 x 512MB cards still only give you 512MB effectively.

But yeah, you can get a 9800GT or HD 4770 with 1GB for not a lot of money at all.

I'll be sticking with my 8800GTS 512 for a while yet though.

shegeek72 · 11-30-09, 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arclight

2 x 512MB cards still only give you 512MB effectively.

Could you elaborate. My computer shows 1GB of GPU RAM.

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flakmonkey · 11-24-09, 09:47 PM

Ive been thinking the same thing, i think its down to sh5s lighting, although realtime shadows/lighting is better in sooo many ways it can look a little sterile compared to pre-calculated stuff (especially in still shots), sh3 is all lovely soft shadows which gives a great ambience even if it is all just a lightmap texture. Whereas sh5 looks to be all hard edged stencil shadows and quite a bright ambient light.

Its not really fair to judge based in pre-release shots, i have no doubt however it looks it`ll be an amazing feeling to walk through my sub and see the crew going about their daily routines.

Its probably a bit late in the day for engine changes but they could still go the route other engines like ue3 take which is to use realtime shadows on anything that moves and pre-calculated maps on static environmental objects, that way you can throw all sorts of lovlieness at the pre-calc stuff like ambient occlusion / global illumination etc and still have the benefit of dynamic character shadows.
　
And now for no particular reason heres some pretty sh3 shots...

Arclight · 11-24-09, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by flakmonkey

Its probably a bit late in the day for engine changes but they could still go the route other engines like ue3 take which is to use realtime shadows on anything that moves and pre-calculated maps on static environmental objects, that way you can throw all sorts of lovlieness at the pre-calc stuff like ambient occlusion / global illumination etc and still have the benefit of dynamic character shadows.

I have a feeling that's exactly what they're doing.

Since all the lights have fixed positions, no one would see the difference. Plus, having the shadows baked in means less for the GPU to process. Having it run on lower spec systems is something they simply have to do to reach as large an audience as possible.

Reece · 11-24-09, 10:17 PM

They should have taken GWX and updated all the graphics to hires wide screen!!

JU_88 · 11-25-09, 05:58 AM

looking at the screenshots, the missing details in SHV are minimal.
The kind of detail you only miss when analysing screenshots - not when you are actually playing the game.

11-24-09, 12:39 PM	#1
misfitdreamer Loader Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 83 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 0	interiors - a concern. i think it's great that ubisoft is modelling the entire uboat interiors. thats definitely going to provide alot of immersion as you'll be able to see crew activities performed. however, take a look at these two screenshots - one of sh5 and the other of sh3. is it just me, or do the interiors in sh5 look less detailed and more simplified than the interior command room of sh3? i suppose that they might need to be simplified to conserve ram (as more rooms are now being modelled). and it looks as if the player models are of higher quality too. i guess what makes me nervous is that with a sequel quality shouldn't be taken away because of new features. the quality should be improved and built on top of. but that is my take, what do you guys think ? __________________ USS Faith

11-24-09, 12:46 PM	#2
PL_Andrev Grey Wolf Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 995 Downloads: 91 Uploads: 0	Wait for next screens or SH5 movie. This is too complicated to find differences between these models now. Please remember SH5 screen was made during production. __________________

11-24-09, 01:04 PM	#3
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	From what I can tell from the comparison, level of detail is at least equal. SH5 looks a lot better though. But you're right; they might have toned it down a little to be able to model the whole boat without requiring a 1GB card as minimum. I think I prefer being able to roam the boat, compared to being confined to CR & CT. __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

11-24-09, 02:55 PM	#6
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,445 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	The comparison when SH5 is released should be an interesting one....though I'm still extremely hopeful of a good looking SH5 interior. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

11-24-09, 09:47 PM	#11
flakmonkey Grey Wolf Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Staffordshire, Uk Posts: 944 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 0	Ive been thinking the same thing, i think its down to sh5s lighting, although realtime shadows/lighting is better in sooo many ways it can look a little sterile compared to pre-calculated stuff (especially in still shots), sh3 is all lovely soft shadows which gives a great ambience even if it is all just a lightmap texture. Whereas sh5 looks to be all hard edged stencil shadows and quite a bright ambient light. Its not really fair to judge based in pre-release shots, i have no doubt however it looks it`ll be an amazing feeling to walk through my sub and see the crew going about their daily routines. Its probably a bit late in the day for engine changes but they could still go the route other engines like ue3 take which is to use realtime shadows on anything that moves and pre-calculated maps on static environmental objects, that way you can throw all sorts of lovlieness at the pre-calc stuff like ambient occlusion / global illumination etc and still have the benefit of dynamic character shadows. 　 And now for no particular reason heres some pretty sh3 shots... __________________

11-24-09, 01:47 PM	#5
karamazovnew The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 1,403 Downloads: 151 Uploads: 0	I agree that the SH3 interiors were expertly done. Some of those modelers must've banged their heads on the walls when it was decided not to allow movement through the sub . The SH5 interior has much better rounded objects. It has probably twice as many polygons. It has superb dynamic lighting as opposed to shadow textures. The textures seem to be twice the resolution. I mean, just look how well the dials look. It needs to be much cleaner because this time you and the crew will move around and collide with the objects. So even though the interiors will not look as photorealistic as the ones in SH4 (the fleet boats), they are a huge leap forward from SH3 .

11-24-09, 10:17 PM	#13
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 34,685 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	They should have taken GWX and updated all the graphics to hires wide screen!! __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

11-25-09, 05:58 AM	#14
JU_88 Silent Hunter Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: UK Posts: 3,803 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	looking at the screenshots, the missing details in SHV are minimal. The kind of detail you only miss when analysing screenshots - not when you are actually playing the game.