Real Pirates - Have we not learned anything from history?

SUBMAN1 · 06-27-09, 12:15 PM

Can you believe this? If the stakes are higher, history has always taught us that pirates run. They want easy juicy targets! When was the last time you EVER heard of a pirate attacking a Man-O-War in the 1800's? It just doesn't happen! Pirates want the unarmed ship. They want free! When it might cost you something as high as your life, then a pirate will look for something easier to go after.

You know whats wrong with the world these days? Hardly anyone has common sense anymore. Mark my words on that.

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...The MSC agreed that flag States should strongly discourage the carrying and use of firearms by seafarers for personal protection or for the protection of a ship. Seafarers, it was agreed, are civilians and the use of firearms requires special training and aptitudes and the risk of accidents with firearms carried on board ship is great. Carriage of arms on board ship may encourage attackers to carry firearms or even more dangerous weapons, thereby escalating an already dangerous situation. Any firearm on board may itself become an attractive target for an attacker. Carriage of firearms may pose an even greater danger if the ship is carrying flammable cargo or similar types of dangerous goods....

http://www.imo.org/Newsroom/mainfram...3&doc_id=11478

Special training? Are they serious? You point, and pull a trigger. What idiots.

So easy, an uneducated pirate with no education that came out of a jungle has figured it. Seamen are too stupid apparently as compared to the average pirate.

-S

Dowly · 06-27-09, 01:01 PM

During the times of pirates (them old ones), I think it's pretty safe to say that most merchant ships were armed. Thus, the pirates used small, fast and maneuverable ships to attack their victims.

Of course, today it's a whole different thing and the size and armament of the "victim" does matter.

SUBMAN1 · 06-27-09, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

During the times of pirates (them old ones), I think it's pretty safe to say that most merchant ships were armed. Thus, the pirates used small, fast and maneuverable ships to attack their victims.

Of course, today it's a whole different thing and the size and armament of the "victim" does matter.

But of course they will remain unarmed. It takes special training to point and shoot.

-S

Dowly · 06-27-09, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

But of course they will remain unarmed. It takes special training to point and shoot.

-S

Haha, yeh, that's pretty... well.. stupid.

Hey, I know! How about all merchant ships would build fake MG's from cardboard and brooms? Then have a recorded MG sound playing on loop from the loudspeakers.

If the pirates wouldnt be impressed and would board the ship, the crew could then save themselves by yelling "April's fool!".

Buddahaid · 06-27-09, 01:13 PM

Just make all the merchies plague ships. Warning swine flu on board. KEEP CLEAR!

Buddahaid

Torplexed · 06-27-09, 01:34 PM

The problem is the companies that operate these vessels see pirates the same way that the pirates like to see themselves.

Task Force · 06-27-09, 02:13 PM

Well... you could always feed the crew beans and "blow the pirates away.":rotfl:

Stealhead · 06-27-09, 02:50 PM

That is a complex problem for a company if you dont pay the ransom your employees will get killed and that will make your other employess less likely to want to keep working for you.A nation can say we dont negotiate but for a company this is not such a good option as most nations are implying that they will use military force something a company does not have.

In the end it is the job of the worlds navies/coast guards to enforce national/international laws of the seas(which pirates violate) but it can be hard as pirates can simply can change their area of operations. I think the Somali pirates where ruuning in a smaller area then navies began to patrol that area so they adapated and started going farther out away from where the navies where patroling.It must be hard as you must find stop and inspect every single boat or ship you find you cant assume any one vessel is good or bad.

The pirates do what they do because to them that is the best way to get fast cash for low cost themselves these guys live in a war torn country they dont really have much to live for so they dont mind if a few of them get dropped by Navy SEALs.And a merchant ship carrying a few small arms might not be doin itself any good seeing as the Somali pirates can get RPGs and that guy above has a PKM you have get 10 or so guys coming at you with this kind of fire power and you only have a few weapons it wont stop much and then they will simply start attacking with more men and more guns.

Jimbuna · 06-27-09, 02:57 PM

Q Ships.....the final solution

Task Force · 06-27-09, 03:00 PM

Hmmm... Full military assult on pirate areas (ex those little happy pirate towns.) Ban civilian boat/ fishing boat traffic in the area, and any boats trying to flee to get out of the baned area boarded, and sunk.

Dowly · 06-27-09, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Task Force

Hmmm... Full military assult on pirate areas (ex those little happy pirate towns.)

Well, I think the heart of the pirate operations are in Mogadishu. AFAIK, the city is almost entirely controlled by the rebels. GL going there.

Task Force · 06-27-09, 03:08 PM

then send the lolwaffes to bomb the hell out of it.:rotfl:err... crash into it in most cases.

Dowly · 06-27-09, 03:09 PM

US tried the crashing method with two Blackhawks in 1993, didnt work that well.

EDIT: No pun intended.

Task Force · 06-27-09, 03:11 PM

Well we could send oberon to crash into stuff, like he did are beer storages in afrika.:rotfl:

Jimbuna · 06-27-09, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

US tried the crashing method with two Blackhawks in 1993, didnt work that well.

EDIT: No pun intended.

It spawned a cracking film though

06-27-09, 02:13 PM	#7
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06-27-09, 03:00 PM	#10
Task Force Rear Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SPACE!!!! Posts: 10,142 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Hmmm... Full military assult on pirate areas (ex those little happy pirate towns.) Ban civilian boat/ fishing boat traffic in the area, and any boats trying to flee to get out of the baned area boarded, and sunk. __________________ Task Force industries "Taking control of the world, one mind at a time"

06-27-09, 03:08 PM	#12
Task Force Rear Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SPACE!!!! Posts: 10,142 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	then send the lolwaffes to bomb the hell out of it.:rotfl:err... crash into it in most cases. __________________ Task Force industries "Taking control of the world, one mind at a time"

06-27-09, 03:11 PM	#14
Task Force Rear Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SPACE!!!! Posts: 10,142 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Well we could send oberon to crash into stuff, like he did are beer storages in afrika.:rotfl: __________________ Task Force industries "Taking control of the world, one mind at a time"

06-27-09, 01:01 PM	#2
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,052 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	During the times of pirates (them old ones), I think it's pretty safe to say that most merchant ships were armed. Thus, the pirates used small, fast and maneuverable ships to attack their victims. Of course, today it's a whole different thing and the size and armament of the "victim" does matter.

06-27-09, 01:13 PM	#5
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,319 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	Just make all the merchies plague ships. Warning swine flu on board. KEEP CLEAR! Buddahaid

06-27-09, 01:34 PM	#6
Torplexed Let's Sink Sumptin' ! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 5,823 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	The problem is the companies that operate these vessels see pirates the same way that the pirates like to see themselves.

06-27-09, 02:50 PM	#8
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	That is a complex problem for a company if you dont pay the ransom your employees will get killed and that will make your other employess less likely to want to keep working for you.A nation can say we dont negotiate but for a company this is not such a good option as most nations are implying that they will use military force something a company does not have. In the end it is the job of the worlds navies/coast guards to enforce national/international laws of the seas(which pirates violate) but it can be hard as pirates can simply can change their area of operations. I think the Somali pirates where ruuning in a smaller area then navies began to patrol that area so they adapated and started going farther out away from where the navies where patroling.It must be hard as you must find stop and inspect every single boat or ship you find you cant assume any one vessel is good or bad. The pirates do what they do because to them that is the best way to get fast cash for low cost themselves these guys live in a war torn country they dont really have much to live for so they dont mind if a few of them get dropped by Navy SEALs.And a merchant ship carrying a few small arms might not be doin itself any good seeing as the Somali pirates can get RPGs and that guy above has a PKM you have get 10 or so guys coming at you with this kind of fire power and you only have a few weapons it wont stop much and then they will simply start attacking with more men and more guns.

06-27-09, 03:09 PM	#13
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,052 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	US tried the crashing method with two Blackhawks in 1993, didnt work that well. EDIT: No pun intended.