"Brave Russian Officers Defend Glorious Motherland From Dangerous Socialist Gay Men!"

SS107.9MHz · 05-16-09, 07:53 AM

I don't even know if this is sad or funny, I just think there's a whole lot of repressed sexual tension here

So they want the Eurovision but they don't like Gay people? What the Hell do they think Eurovision is all about (besides bad 80's airstyle pastiches)?

Just another one:

Mayor of Moscow Yuri Luzhkov has consistently opposed gay parades in the capital for a variety of reasons. In 2007 he attracted international attention when he said of the 2006 parade:
"Last year, Moscow came under unprecedented pressure to sanction the gay parade, which cannot be called anything other than satanic."

Kapitan · 05-16-09, 08:16 AM

civil rights isnt a russian strong point il admit that.

Steel_Tomb · 05-16-09, 09:01 AM

To be honest, I don't personally agree with the whole gay marriages/child adoption. I believe something like that should remain between man and women, but that is a different debate for another time. HOWEVER, I have nothing against homosexuality itself... in fact a former work colleague of mine was gay and he was the funniest guy in the shop! Just another example of Russia's exemplary human rights record... what makes me even more worried is the extent of homophobia in Russia. They're bashing these guys and girls like they're scum... quite pathetic, why can't people grow up and adapt to changing society instead of being stuck in the past. They are human beings, just like them. If they prefer to have a same sex partner then fine... its not like they're making outrageous demands. They just want to be treated in public like people, not some kind of abomination.

Letum · 05-16-09, 09:09 AM

Homophobia, racism and sexism are all parts of the Russian culture.
It's a shame.

Kapitan · 05-16-09, 09:11 AM

What you have to realise is that majority of russians were brought up in a communist society which denounces gays, and also now they are throwing in thier religious beliefs which russians are fairly religious even under the communist regieme they practice russian orthadox which also denounces gays. no win situation in thier society for change.

Letum · 05-16-09, 09:15 AM

I wouldn't be so pessimistic.
There are various countries that changed attitudes despite a long struggle,
even when there was no international presidents or pressure. Russia has made
some progress and I expect that will continue over the next generations.

I hear things are improving in several of the former Yugoslavian countries.

Skybird · 05-16-09, 09:20 AM

And here we go again. Haven't we just ended another long gay-debate? I agree, the Eastern-european people exaggerate it with their homophobic attitutde, however, I do not like these provoking gay/levsian parade either. And most important: from a Western perspective, this russian thing now is of no further vital interest for us. I suggest we stick to what really must concern us. Neither this foolish eurovision "song" nonsense (happening to look more and more like a live show-act at an erotic-fair), nor the breakup of this provoking (and btw: forbidden) parade should bother us too much.

The level of violence at the clashes in Berlin on May 1st, and the fact that for 280 arrested criminal thugs more than 500 policemen were wounded (2 wounded officers for 1 arrest), and that the police union complains about a politically wanted but unrealistic operation concept that send their own officers literally to the slaughter - that should pragmatically be much closer to for example Germany's focus of attention. And the German Green gay politician who joined gay parades in Eastern Europe and this one as well, and got his nose dunked two years ago, should remember that he was elected into the German Bundestag - not into the Russian Duma.

As a matter of fact, we are in no powerful enough position to tell the Poles and Russians to be more relaxed towards gays. I wish they were, but as a matter of fact, they are not. That'S reality, I can't help it. There are more important things going on in the world. And many gays over there already would be helped if they would not make such a big fuss about their orientation. Maybe not running around and telling everybody they are gay, would be a clever strategy for them. I personally even am pissed if somebody constantly tells me he is hetero - who cares for that sort of info? Sooner or later, Russians and others will find a balanced stand on these things all by themselves. Let them, then.

05-16-09, 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kapitan

What you have to realise is that majority of russians were brought up in a communist society which denounces gays, and also now they are throwing in thier religious beliefs which russians are fairly religious even under the communist regieme they practice russian orthadox which also denounces gays. no win situation in thier society for change.

Hmm, I'm not exactly sure I would characterize the anti-gay feelings in Russia to come from their communist past. I would rather link it to an overall lack of education and 'backwardness' stemming from an earlier period. I'm sure that gays didn't have it ok in Soviet Union but I think they still had better then in Czarist Russia. Many premier Russian and Soviet artists etc. were gay and were not persecuted as far as I know. Could be that average gays were persecuted in the Soviet Union.

Also the fact that religion seems to be stepping up it's march in Russia could be one factor that spells trouble for gays there.

XabbaRus · 05-16-09, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letum

[...]to lump it as a singularly Russian problem is daft.

Absolutely. that was not at all my intention.

dyshman · 05-16-09, 12:26 PM

as i see most of users are tolerant people)))
and big specislists in russian domestic problems))
idea of "human rights domination" make you weak- you cant resist to degradation. "love-parades" mostly looks like "victory-parade". victory on your history and future! they propagandizes their victory on "old-well europe". onse you wake up and you'll see new europe: only "old fags" and muslims occupants! muslims are strong and they are not tolerant to homo's!

XabbaRus · 05-16-09, 12:51 PM

Why was my post edited? I didn't say anything unwarranted or offensive I was just pointing a couple of things out.

Letum · 05-16-09, 01:04 PM

Oh bugger!

Very sorry XabbaRus! I hit "edit" instead of "quote".
It was a mistake. I'm not used to seeing an edit button below other peoples posts.
Please accept my apologies.

XabbaRus · 05-16-09, 01:11 PM

No worries Letum, if I'm grouchy its becasue I am cold turkey quitting smoking. 3rd day without....

Haribo are making a killing out of me though.

Tchocky · 05-16-09, 01:12 PM

It's this new avatar that's confusing things

Letum · 05-16-09, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XabbaRus

No worries Letum, if I'm grouchy its becasue I am cold turkey quitting smoking. 3rd day without....

Haribo are making a killing out of me though.

No need to apologies at all, you where perfectly justified to be annoyed and
quite polite besides. I imagine I would have blown a gasket.

I'm terribly embarrassed.

Yes Tchocky, the avatar can't have helped. I remember thinking something
was odd, but I navigated away from the page before my brain registered
quite what.

My apologies to everyone for derailing the thread a little.

05-16-09, 07:53 AM	#1
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Steel_Tomb Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Cambridgeshire - UK Posts: 1,128 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	To be honest, I don't personally agree with the whole gay marriages/child adoption. I believe something like that should remain between man and women, but that is a different debate for another time. HOWEVER, I have nothing against homosexuality itself... in fact a former work colleague of mine was gay and he was the funniest guy in the shop! Just another example of Russia's exemplary human rights record... what makes me even more worried is the extent of homophobia in Russia. They're bashing these guys and girls like they're scum... quite pathetic, why can't people grow up and adapt to changing society instead of being stuck in the past. They are human beings, just like them. If they prefer to have a same sex partner then fine... its not like they're making outrageous demands. They just want to be treated in public like people, not some kind of abomination. __________________ _______________________________________________ System Spec: Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4Ghz \| 4Gb Corsair XMS2 Dominator DDR2 PC-2 6400 RAM \| XFX GeForce 8800GTS 640mb PCI-E \| Creative X-fi sound card \| 250Gb HDD \| *Rest In Peace Dave, you will be missed.*

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Letum Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: York - UK Posts: 6,079 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Homophobia, racism and sexism are all parts of the Russian culture. It's a shame. __________________

05-16-09, 09:11 AM	#5
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	What you have to realise is that majority of russians were brought up in a communist society which denounces gays, and also now they are throwing in thier religious beliefs which russians are fairly religious even under the communist regieme they practice russian orthadox which also denounces gays. no win situation in thier society for change. __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

05-16-09, 09:15 AM	#6
Letum Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: York - UK Posts: 6,079 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	I wouldn't be so pessimistic. There are various countries that changed attitudes despite a long struggle, even when there was no international presidents or pressure. Russia has made some progress and I expect that will continue over the next generations. I hear things are improving in several of the former Yugoslavian countries. __________________

05-16-09, 09:20 AM	#7
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	And here we go again. Haven't we just ended another long gay-debate? I agree, the Eastern-european people exaggerate it with their homophobic attitutde, however, I do not like these provoking gay/levsian parade either. And most important: from a Western perspective, this russian thing now is of no further vital interest for us. I suggest we stick to what really must concern us. Neither this foolish eurovision "song" nonsense (happening to look more and more like a live show-act at an erotic-fair), nor the breakup of this provoking (and btw: forbidden) parade should bother us too much. The level of violence at the clashes in Berlin on May 1st, and the fact that for 280 arrested criminal thugs more than 500 policemen were wounded (2 wounded officers for 1 arrest), and that the police union complains about a politically wanted but unrealistic operation concept that send their own officers literally to the slaughter - that should pragmatically be much closer to for example Germany's focus of attention. And the German Green gay politician who joined gay parades in Eastern Europe and this one as well, and got his nose dunked two years ago, should remember that he was elected into the German Bundestag - not into the Russian Duma. As a matter of fact, we are in no powerful enough position to tell the Poles and Russians to be more relaxed towards gays. I wish they were, but as a matter of fact, they are not. That'S reality, I can't help it. There are more important things going on in the world. And many gays over there already would be helped if they would not make such a big fuss about their orientation. Maybe not running around and telling everybody they are gay, would be a clever strategy for them. I personally even am pissed if somebody constantly tells me he is hetero - who cares for that sort of info? Sooner or later, Russians and others will find a balanced stand on these things all by themselves. Let them, then. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

05-16-09, 12:26 PM	#10
dyshman Sailor man Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Minsk, Belarus Posts: 43 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	as i see most of users are tolerant people))) and big specislists in russian domestic problems)) idea of "human rights domination" make you weak- you cant resist to degradation. "love-parades" mostly looks like "victory-parade". victory on your history and future! they propagandizes their victory on "old-well europe". onse you wake up and you'll see new europe: only "old fags" and muslims occupants! muslims are strong and they are not tolerant to homo's!

05-16-09, 12:51 PM	#11
XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Why was my post edited? I didn't say anything unwarranted or offensive I was just pointing a couple of things out. __________________

05-16-09, 01:04 PM	#12
Letum Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: York - UK Posts: 6,079 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Oh bugger! Very sorry XabbaRus! I hit "edit" instead of "quote". It was a mistake. I'm not used to seeing an edit button below other peoples posts. Please accept my apologies. __________________

05-16-09, 01:11 PM	#13
XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	No worries Letum, if I'm grouchy its becasue I am cold turkey quitting smoking. 3rd day without.... Haribo are making a killing out of me though. __________________

05-16-09, 01:12 PM	#14
Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,874 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	It's this new avatar that's confusing things __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]