Last Xmas for CDs, please, researcher tells music biz

SUBMAN1 · 12-30-08, 10:01 PM

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/12..._cd_rejection/

Thats a bad idea. I still buy CD's since all compression formats (Save FLAC or highly re-written engine near-lossless OGG's that are rare) are of terrible quality. I am listening to a CD I just bought as I type this.

I don't know what it is with people lately. Seems to be that they can't tell the difference between crappy quality and OK quality either these days. CD is not a great format, but to go all compressed formats is a really really bad idea.

-S

August · 12-30-08, 10:12 PM

Bah, online distribution. I want something solid for my money.

SUBMAN1 · 12-30-08, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by August

Bah, online distribution. I want something solid for my money.

Here here on that!

-S

Blacklight · 12-30-08, 10:25 PM

The problem is, if you buy one of these files, keep it on your hard drive, and your hard drive dies... you just lost your music. Of course you should back it up, but even home produced CDr's don't last anywhere near as long as a professionally made CD.

SUBMAN1 · 12-30-08, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Blacklight

The problem is, if you buy one of these files, keep it on your hard drive, and your hard drive dies... you just lost your music. Of course you should back it up, but even home produced CDr's don't last anywhere near as long as a professionally made CD.

Of course this is the alternative to people 'stealing' your CD's as has been in the past. I have bought one or two CD's in my life multiple times for them disappearing when I was younger. With the ability of people to make duplicates these days, no longer are the music industry profiting from stolen music. Maybe HD failures will compensate.

-S

AVGWarhawk · 01-02-09, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Blacklight

The problem is, if you buy one of these files, keep it on your hard drive, and your hard drive dies... you just lost your music. Of course you should back it up, but even home produced CDr's don't last anywhere near as long as a professionally made CD.

I use Rhapsody for my music. They keep a file of music purchased. I reformatted my drive. Loaded up Rhapsody and all my purchased music was loaded to my drive. I had no issues with it and no back up needed. I do prefer CD over the MP3 player. It won't be long until CD is a thing of the past. Look at the history. Reel to reel, 8 track, cassette, CD...mp3 next.

nikimcbee · 01-01-09, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

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Originally Posted by August

Bah, online distribution. I want something solid for my money.

Here here on that!

-S

Roger that. What will I listen to in the car? FM radio!:rotfl: CDs for me.

Konovalov · 01-01-09, 06:35 PM

Pretty much agree with much of what has been said here. I continue to buy CD's and have a large collection. I will continue to buy compact discs until a better format succeeds it.

SUBMAN1 · 01-01-09, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Konovalov

Pretty much agree with much of what has been said here. I continue to buy CD's and have a large collection. I will continue to buy compact discs until a better format succeeds it.

They have already succeeded it. Just that most people are not turning on to it. Look at DVD-Audio, and to a lesser extent, SACD.

-S

goldorak · 12-31-08, 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/12..._cd_rejection/

Thats a bad idea. I still buy CD's since all compression formats (Save FLAC or highly re-written engine near-lossless OGG's that are rare) are of terrible quality. I am listening to a CD I just bought as I type this.

I don't know what it is with people lately. Seems to be that they can't tell the difference between crappy quality and OK quality either these days. CD is not a great format, but to go all compressed formats is a really really bad idea.

-S

I stopped buying cd's years ago, not worth the trouble buying and getting not real red book cd's which wouldn't play in my stereo etc... To the hell with it, on the other hand there is a resurgence of vinyl, and between sacd and vinyl I prefer vinyl. Yestarday I was in big music store and they had a gigantic poster reading "2008 - Vinyl is back" !!!

It just amazes me that vinyl's comeback is kicking sacd ass.

SUBMAN1 · 01-01-09, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by goldorak

I stopped buying cd's years ago, not worth the trouble buying and getting not real red book cd's which wouldn't play in my stereo etc... To the hell with it, on the other hand there is a resurgence of vinyl, and between sacd and vinyl I prefer vinyl. Yestarday I was in big music store and they had a gigantic poster reading "2008 - Vinyl is back" !!!

It just amazes me that vinyl's comeback is kicking sacd ass.

I'm not a big fan of SACD and its 1-bit resolution where they try and compensate with massive sampling frequency but end up injecting noise when its supposed to be pure. DVD-Audio is a better format and is based on the tried and true PCM (LPCM) format. It is 24-bit resolution. It still has that 'warm' feeling that you can get with vinyl.

I do find it humorous that vinyl is starting to reappear again though.

After all these years where Digital was shoved down your throat, more and more people are beginning to realize you live in an analog world that can't be reproduced perfectly with a digital environment.

I do say that DVD-Audio does come close though!

-S

Takeda Shingen · 01-01-09, 02:32 PM

I don't own a portable MP3 player of any sort, so I'll be using CDs for the forseeable future. Also, I would agree with August that I prefer to have something tangible when it comes to my music collection.

For the record, vinyl is tops. Bring back analog.

stabiz · 01-01-09, 03:14 PM

I love vinyl, there is something almost sacred about carefully putting the record on the player and positioning the needle.

As an old dj I use one of these:

goldorak · 01-01-09, 03:34 PM

I use an old and trusty Garrard Zero 100

Zachstar · 01-01-09, 03:26 PM

I agree mostly.

I just listened to an MP3 I purchased from Amazon it was pure crap compared to even CD..

It is beyond stupid about how we cant get past Mp3 when it comes to audio. But I guess because the decode chip is just a few cents these days and uses so little power that they just can't fight 5 dollar Mp3 players.

There is nothing wrong with compressed audio if it is done right however, but Mp3 is not done right. It was designed to run through primitive equipment to provide audio for rather poor bitrate video. It cares little about the little parts that good speakers can replicate.

As for OGG. It is dead. There is supposedly a new version made by fans that is supposedly 2x as good at compressing while maintain the little things but the whole group seems to be dead. Right now Speex is used more than ogg.

12-30-08, 10:01 PM	#1
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Last Xmas for CDs, please, researcher tells music biz http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/12..._cd_rejection/ Thats a bad idea. I still buy CD's since all compression formats (Save FLAC or highly re-written engine near-lossless OGG's that are rare) are of terrible quality. I am listening to a CD I just bought as I type this. I don't know what it is with people lately. Seems to be that they can't tell the difference between crappy quality and OK quality either these days. CD is not a great format, but to go all compressed formats is a really really bad idea. -S __________________

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August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,197 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Bah, online distribution. I want something solid for my money. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

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Blacklight Ocean Warrior Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Connecticut Posts: 2,507 Downloads: 145 Uploads: 0	The problem is, if you buy one of these files, keep it on your hard drive, and your hard drive dies... you just lost your music. Of course you should back it up, but even home produced CDr's don't last anywhere near as long as a professionally made CD. __________________ Be my friend or be a mushroom cloud. "I am coming at you. You will explode in a couple of minutes !"

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Konovalov Ocean Warrior Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: High Wycombe, Bucks, UK Posts: 2,811 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Pretty much agree with much of what has been said here. I continue to buy CD's and have a large collection. I will continue to buy compact discs until a better format succeeds it. __________________ "In a Christian context, sexuality is traditionally seen as a consequence of the Fall, but for Muslims, it is an anticipation of paradise. So I can say, I think, that I was validly converted to Islam by a teenage French Jewish nudist." Sheikh Abdul-Hakim Murad (Timothy Winter)

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stabiz Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Norway Posts: 4,224 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	I love vinyl, there is something almost sacred about carefully putting the record on the player and positioning the needle. As an old dj I use one of these: __________________

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Takeda Shingen Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 8,643 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	I don't own a portable MP3 player of any sort, so I'll be using CDs for the forseeable future. Also, I would agree with August that I prefer to have something tangible when it comes to my music collection. For the record, vinyl is tops. Bring back analog.

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goldorak Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,320 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I use an old and trusty Garrard Zero 100

01-01-09, 03:26 PM	#15
Zachstar Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shreveport, Louisiana Posts: 1,956 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	I agree mostly. I just listened to an MP3 I purchased from Amazon it was pure crap compared to even CD.. It is beyond stupid about how we cant get past Mp3 when it comes to audio. But I guess because the decode chip is just a few cents these days and uses so little power that they just can't fight 5 dollar Mp3 players. There is nothing wrong with compressed audio if it is done right however, but Mp3 is not done right. It was designed to run through primitive equipment to provide audio for rather poor bitrate video. It cares little about the little parts that good speakers can replicate. As for OGG. It is dead. There is supposedly a new version made by fans that is supposedly 2x as good at compressing while maintain the little things but the whole group seems to be dead. Right now Speex is used more than ogg. __________________