Seal clubbing

[AJ!]

So the other day i was looking for a animal picture for my avatar. I was looking through all different sea life for half decent pics and eventually got to seals.

Sadly some of the links led me to sites about seal clubbing. I saw some terrible pictures and couldn't help but wonder how the Canadians can justify something like this.....

http://www.treebugger.com/adventure-...seal-clubbing/

Now this site got me fired up. This is from the point of view of a pro clubber. Im not a religious person but i hope the person that wrote that goes on a one way ticket to hell

[joea]

Do you eat meat?

[Letum]

I am quite happy to have seals or any other animal clubbed if there is a good
reason and it does not long term harm.
Nature deal out much worse fates.

*edit* Just to qualify that; "good reason" includes fur hats, entertainment/sport or anything of benefit.

[Mush Martin]

My wife has strong objections, sometimes I have to consider those
priorities I am not the only one. I see both sides of it, I feel the merits
of the thing need to be diminished before it can be eliminated.

so a better job is the answer to my mind sooner or later no one
will need to go but the fur sellers who might make the trip or might not:rotfl:
[edit] for the unenlightend the seal hunt is not made in a subtle environment.

[AJ!]

Unbelievable......

I didn't think there was anyone who could justify this. Joea the vast majority arnt killed for meat. Most of them are skinned and then left there. Many of them are skinned alive then left to die in the cold. What is worse about the situation is this is seen as a sport by many people. That site was showing their view that going out and killing the seals is a good laugh and a fun day out.

The main reason they allow this is apparently to keep the cod levels in the area up. Anyone who can put a club to these creatures obviously isnt all there in the head....

[joea]

You obviously didn't read my post AJ? I said

I am not one for wearing fur really unless you live in a really cold climate, and like the Inuit use every part of the animal.

I just hate that people reserve their pity for the "cute" animals.

Disclaimer: I could kill for food but not club a seal. I have been in a slaughterhouse btw.

Why is this cruelty worse than say how geese are force fed to make fois gras?

[August]

Kinda gory but how is it any less acceptable than slaughtering cattle?

Edit: Joe ya beat me!

[joea]

Yea August, I am not one for wearing fur really unless you live in a really cold climate, and like the Inuit use every part of the animal.

I just hate that people reserve their pity for the "cute" animals.

Disclaimer: I could kill for food but not club a seal. I have been in a slaughterhouse btw.

[mrbeast]

Originally Posted by August

Kinda gory but how is it any less acceptable than slaughtering cattle?

Edit: Joe ya beat me!

But would you slaughter a cow by bludgeoning it to death with a club?

I think killing seals in this fashion is disgusting and barabaric.

If wild animals have to managed by culling or livestock killed for meat; and if this causes a degree of suffering, then so be it; but to carry out a task like this in a needlessly cruel fashion is morally indefensible IMO.

[Letum]

What do you think of removing the teeth out of a seal, sorrounding it with food and then waiting for it to starve to death?

Thats nature's way.

[Mush Martin]

Originally Posted by Letum

What do you think of removing the teeth out of a seal, sorrounding it with food and then waiting for it to starve to death?

Thats nature's way.

Good bat

[Letum]

Originally Posted by Mush Martin

Good bat

It's the way we all go. Death and suffering are inevitable and unavoidable.
For humans it is different because we are conscious of the world in a way
very distinct from even the most intelligent animal. For us, human death
and suffering can become tragedy, rather than just nature.

A stone breaking in two as it falls from a rock face, an amoeba becoming
a indefinable part of the chemical soup it lives in, a salmon floating to the
surface or a crippled antelope dieing in the sun is not tragic.
Neither is the bull in the bull ring, the seal on bloody ice or the sheep on
the floor of a lorry.

There is pain and suffering, but that is universal and unavoidable; that is
nature.
it is right that this appeals to our compassion, but empathy: to place our
understanding upon the animal and make it's situation a tragedy, is
misplaced.

Only the understanding of a man bleeding to death on a road because he
thought it was safe to overtake or an old man fighting for his last breath
because he does not want to die is tragedy.
That does not apply to a carp of a badger or a horse.


For me to have compassion, there must be the ability to feel pain.
For empathy there must be understanding.

[mrbeast]

Originally Posted by Letum

What do you think of removing the teeth out of a seal, sorrounding it with food and then waiting for it to starve to death?

Thats nature's way.

Nature is indifferent to suffering or cruelty; it is not a moral agent.

Humans on the otherhand are.

[Mush Martin]

Human moralities are societal constructs agreed to by a group

not permanent and not laws of nature.

one of the difficulties of the modern world is developing a worthy
moral/ethical code for new capabilities such as genetics where stuff
we are able to do now had no frame of reference in such sources of
modern moralities as say a middle eastern village of two thousand
years ago.

they couldnt concieve it to determine it.
even ethics and moralities evolve.

what can get someone sent to prison for life in America today
was normal and acceptable in ancient greece birthplace of democracy.

[Mush Martin]

I have known a few people who were kin of the hunt and more or less
directly lived among those communities and those economies. I feel
that the seal hunt as such belongs to a different age and has no place
in the twenty first century. I feel that the economic opportunity in newfoundland at the moment is extremely limited and I understand the
position of the hunters.

I Feel a true opportunity exists within this terrible issue a chance for
Newfoundland Canada and the World Community/UN/WTO somebody
anyway to make a real lemonade out of these lemons.

The oceans are the future of economy and the construction of various
types of industrial platforms could form a huge new basis for the newfoundland economy eventually driving them up to an economic potential
equal with korea and not relying on the cod to do it.

understand that theres a difference really although the cod fisherman may
rightly not necessarily agree with me specifically. the cod fishery feeds
newfoundland at large. the seal hunt feeds families and small communities.
its hard to take away the livelyhood of a man without giving him another
means. I think it generally foolish anyway.

The Newf's have already built at one point the worlds largest rig
and so the have some basis for the opportunity in previous experience
but they arent selling it or emphasizing it and as a whole community/province/island/people they should be driving for these contracts and become famous for it and quality.

they are a quaint and colloquial people but they are capable of so much.
they need only turn there focus a bit and they can solve an aweful lot
of their current major issues.


Newfoundland is a beautiful rugged place with the oldest history
in north america, its people truly are unique and no offense to Quebecers
but as they seem so much like me only french.

'tis d Newf's I t'inks of when I hear's the phrase "Distinct society"
not my nieghbors in Quebec.

Theres an opportunity in Canada to change the meaning of distinct society
and turn it from an alienating thing into a cultural recognitions and respects
thing at least in the sort of pinko socialist ideal of the stereo typical canadian that I feel I am. (Idealists who can explain it to them?)

Canada should also be selling and investing in the conversion of the newf
economy to the emphasis on industrial fabrication. as a canadian province
whats good for the newf economy is good for the canadian economy.

its something we and a lot of other places need to learn about economies.
the investment in industrial manufacturing base and the ability to utilize
and refine your own resources and produce product from them thats
desireable and competitive is the basis of a solid economy.

for a longer than we have been a nation we have been shipping
our resources overseas at ten bucks a ton and buying it back
as clocks and tv sets at fifty bucks a pound.

poor strategy, ok to start an economy on in the new world but no
way to sustain one.

Opportunity exists within the tragedy but who is looking ?


sorry I was bored and felt like rambling.
M