McCain & Me

[Stealth Hunter]

I went outside a few minutes ago to get the mail. Got a letter from McCain himself. Must be his good buddy (he even calls me his friend...). Here's a scan of the letter (front and back). Excuse the gaping hole in it. I had to check to see if he had signed it personally or not... :rotfl:




I'm guessing they didn't bother to check my voting record or check what I've registered as for more than a decade now. I thought it was funny. Curious. Is the man desperate to appeal to Democrats and Republicans alike?

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Are you sure the letter wasn't posted in Nigeria ?

Oh silly Mikhayl! Most of them don't have $50...

[Subnuts]

So, the day after the day after the actual election, the elusive underground organization known as the "Obama Democrats," funded by "Big Labor" will seize "total control" in Washington. Unless, that is, a bunch of people that John McCain doesn't know sends him lots of funny within the next month, in response to a letter he sent out on "Wednesday morning." Also, "victory" is in sight but they have an "emergency" on their hands.

I call BS. :rotfl:

[Platapus]

Congratulations you may already be a winner......

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by Subnuts

So, the day after the day after the actual election, the elusive underground organization known as the "Obama Democrats," funded by "Big Labor" will seize "total control" in Washington. Unless, that is, a bunch of people that John McCain doesn't know sends him lots of funny within the next month, in response to a letter he sent out on "Wednesday morning." Also, "victory" is in sight but they have an "emergency" on their hands.

I call BS. :rotfl:

Hey, John said I was his friend. Don't say it's BS. After all, he would NEVER lie to me... :rotfl:

[bookworm_020]

But wait! there's more! Pledge now and we will thow in a set of these wonderful steak knives! Send no money now, we will tax you later!

[JoeCorrado]

Stop complaining. They vetted you just as well as they did their vice presidential nominee!! :rotfl:

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by JoeCorrado

Stop complaining. They vetted you just as well as they did their vice presidential nominee!! :rotfl:

Yep... but they did the same for my neighbor...

He. Must. Die.

[August]

The latest Gallup daily tracking poll of registered voters gives Mr McCain a lead of 49% to Mr Obama's 44%. Doesn't sound like GoP desperation time to me... :hmm:

[JoeCorrado]

Originally Posted by August

The latest Gallup daily tracking poll of registered voters gives Mr McCain a lead of 49% to Mr Obama's 44%. Doesn't sound like GoP desperation time to me... :hmm:

I don't know of anybody who is desperate at this point. And certainly Obama isn't the one running those despicable ads like we have seen these last two days. If it is not desperation, what is it... a sign of McCain's latest flip flop... on the issue of personal character? He was a pretty decent guy at one time- back in 2000 he had my vote.

McCain 2000 wouldn't even vote for the guy we see posing as McCain these days.

You are entitled to your opinion, but maybe you can explain why the 180 from the good guy that I remember from 2000 to the guy who has turned into what he at one time so valiantly fought against.

And for the record- you must be cherry picking your poll numbers because most polls have them pretty even and one or the other up a point or two varying which one ahead or behind from poll to poll. Here is an excellent resource if you are into the polls.

The ELECTORAL MAP... the one that counts you know? It shows Obama sitting pretty and when you add those 4,000,000 new voters across the country... NEW voters who are never included in those "likely" to vote because they are "new"... I would say that things are about where most Obama supporters would have hoped. Heck- for most Obama supporters things are way better than we could have ever dreamed at the start of this election process.

[Thomen]

Originally Posted by JoeCorrado

The ELECTORAL MAP... the one that counts you know? It shows Obama sitting pretty and when you add those 4,000,000 new voters across the country... NEW voters who are never included in those "likely" to vote because they are "new"... I would say that things are about where most Obama supporters would have hoped. Heck- for most Obama supporters things are way better than we could have ever dreamed at the start of this election process.

I m just wondering how many of those 4,000,000 are like those 75,000...

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2008..._voter_re.html :hmm:

[Platapus]

When it comes to these political polls, The most significant digit is the "tens" digit.

Unless there is a difference of 10% or more, they are pretty much even.

49 to 44 = they are both between 40 and 50%. That's pretty much all you can tell from a political poll with such small samples.

Now if we have poll numbers like 60% to 40%, now we are talking about a significant difference. Even 55-45 would start, just start, being significant. But 5% difference= way in the noise.

One more flaw in these political polls, they are collecting from different sample groups. How can you statistically compare results from different sample groups?

I can take a group of 10,000 people. Poll each one of them (100% collection). Let's assume that on issue A the group is exactly 50% for and 50% against.

I can take a "random" sampling and it won't come out to be 50/50. I may get 45-55 (or 55/45) I might get 60-40. Heck a random sample might get me 80-20 if my sample size is small enough.

What would the comparison between the different samplings indicate?

Poll 1 45-55
Poll 2 60-40
Poll 3 80-20

Can I make the inference that support for issue A is increasing? only if you suck at statistics or you wish to deliberately mislead the reader (and they suck at statistics).

What needs to be done is to select a large (one does not sample a 300,000,000 population by polling 300 people) sample group and continously use them.

Poll them before a speech and get the results - 50-50
Poll the same group after a speech and get the results - 55-45

Now you can make an inference about the effects of the speech because you are using the same sample group.

It is so easy to lie with statistics.

These political polls serve only to bambozzle the public.

Unless you know the follow

1. How was the poll constructed?
2. How was the sampling population calculated?
3. How was the collection population selected?
4. How was the data collected?
5. Was there any post collection "normalizing" or data conforming done?
6. How was the data processed statistically?
... and probably a hundred other factors, the poll means precisely dick.

And I have not even addressed how the public lies on polls....

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by August

The latest Gallup daily tracking poll of registered voters gives Mr McCain a lead of 49% to Mr Obama's 44%. Doesn't sound like GoP desperation time to me... :hmm:

Of course, these same polls said in 2000 that Al Gore was leading Bush by 5%, and yet he didn't win once November came around...

These polls really don't mean much of anything. And also remember, things change.

Although, I still wonder why exactly they sent me this letter...:hmm:

[JoeCorrado]

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

Of course, these same polls said in 2000 that Al Gore was leading Bush by 5%, and yet he didn't win once November came around...

These polls really don't mean much of anything. And also remember, things change.

Although, I still wonder why exactly they sent me this letter...:hmm:

Because they are declaring an emergency and need money, money, money for negative ads, ads, ads. It's how they run their elections- McCain understands that- that is why he became a sell out and is now the very thing that he used to be against. "Just win baby!" The methods don't matter- just the results, eh?

:rotfl:

Not really funny at all. It is pretty sad, but true- and that only makes it all the sadder. McCain sold out the idea of being a reform candidate the day he decided to let the special interests run his campaign. They get him elected, he gives them what they ask for. The same old political game, just more of the same and now it comes from John McCain. Just a sad commentary.