Thoughts on teaching Creation in school...

[Stealth Hunter]

What brought this all on was this article. Came across it a few days ago, and it's been in the back of my mind since then:

http://religionblog.dallasnews.com/a...nia-can-r.html

Just want your opinions on the matter of teaching it in schools. I'm personally against it, but that's just me.

[Digital_Trucker]

I would have to suggest one more option. Neither creation nor evolution should be taught in school. Just a thought.

[Schroeder]

I say no creation!
Religion and state should always be separated!

The things taught in school should always be based on facts or at least on theories that have a scientific background.
Creation is something for preachers in churches. BTW other religions have different opinions about the creation so why should the Christian one be the only one taught?.

But this is the opinion of an atheistic European so maybe I shouldn't have voted in this poll at all.:hmm:

[antikristuseke]

Creationism, regardles of which religions version, should not be taught in any school anywhere.

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

But if you don't teach evolution, when/where does History start ?

What does evolution have to do with history? Or did i misunderstand your post?

[mrbeast]

Although I'm from the UK this issue is rearing its head in British schools.

This issue all boils down to what creationism is taught as:

As theology taught in religeous education classes I have few problems with it as long as it is not taught as dogma but merely what some peole believe.

As a science; I have a big problem with it.

Mainly because creationism (or Intelligent Design as creationists often call it) is simply not science and therefore has no place in the science classroom. Evolution on the other hand is; and there is overwhelming evidence for it.

[SimNut]

They should teach the evolution of creationism.

[Digital_Trucker]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

But if you don't teach evolution, when/where does History start ?

So "history" is tied to evolution? What do we actually know to be fact? We know that we are here. We have a relatively good idea of what has happened in the last few hundred years. Beyond that is pure conjecture based on the science that we accept at this point in time or based on religious beliefs. If schools should not be allowed to teach creationism, why should they be allowed to teach the "competing" theory?

[Mush Martin]

Sorry DT Creationism is a belief not a science

Natural selection is an observable process.

your comparing apples and oranges.

in one proof denies faith
and in the other faith denies proof.

I would shoot myself if those folks actually
ever got in charge

all it takes is for good men to do nothing,

Democracy should guarantee freedom from religion outside
the home, not freedom of it.

[Digital_Trucker]

Sorry Mush, but science is a belief based on what think we know at the moment. I never said I believed in creation either, now did I?

Mikhayl, if history starts at the big bang, what was there before the big bang? Isn't history supposed to cover "everything"? Was there nothing before the Big Bang? If there was nothing before the Big Bang how the hell did the Big Bang occur?

Wait, we don't KNOW that? That's my whole point, we only THINK we KNOW things.

[Mush Martin]

Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

Sorry Mush, but science is a belief based on what think we know at the moment. I never said I believed in creation either, now did I?

Mikhayl, if history starts at the big bang, what was there before the big bang? Isn't history supposed to cover "everything"? Was there nothing before the Big Bang? If there was nothing before the Big Bang how the hell did the Big Bang occur?

Wait, we don't KNOW that? That's my whole point, we only THINK we KNOW things.

I would encourage anyone to question what they think they know.
at every turn and never take whats handed down to you at face
value.

[Digital_Trucker]

Originally Posted by Mush Martin

Natural selection is an observable process.

Observable over what length of time in the grand scheme of things? If we accept that time started with the Big Bang, we haven't even observed a nanosecond of the first hour.

[Mush Martin]

you wont come down from full scale its all or nothing then?


Ok , there is no object organization or entity that does not
evolve in the presence of time.
not even vacuum as we observe the distance between the
stars Grow litterally even vacuum can expand on itself.

there are no exceptions
headlights
screwdrivers
hotel chains
aircraft
mountains
rivers
lakes
oceans
planets
stars
comets
galaxyies
superstrings.


find a valid exception you can name. :hmm:

[Mush Martin]

Human history or canadian history
or earth history or universal history

they sort of all start in different place's

I of course would start human history somewhere
a little before Homo Habilus sure I will go with
austrailopithicus. if were talking human history
but the history of civilization begins later in
the tigris euphrates delta.
(JMO)

[Digital_Trucker]

Letum and I agree on something and he put it a lot simpler than I did. Thank you sir.

Mikhayl I would hardly say something as silly as dinosaur fossils were put there to test our faith. In fact, I've never said what my faith was or whether I believe in creation or not. Give children the evidence that we have and let them make up their own minds.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

But if you don't teach evolution, when/where does History start ?

History starts with recorded written history. Anything before that is speculation and theory. It may be good, sound theory, but it's still speculation.

Besides, evolution falls under science, not history.

And Creation falls under religion, not science.