BB classification ?

Hanomag · 02-19-08, 04:44 PM

Kaluens,

Would The Hood be considered a King George class BB?

Thanx in advance!

bigboywooly · 02-19-08, 05:00 PM

No the Hood was a Admiral class battlecruiser
The only one in the class
Layed down in 1916 some 20 years before the KGV class

bookworm_020 · 02-19-08, 05:10 PM

I hope not! The hood is worth more in renown than a KGV!

bertle · 02-19-08, 06:05 PM

As stated it is a battlecruiser.

A heavily upgraded battlecruiser that is heavier than any other British battleship. The ship she's closest related to would be the Renown but the Renown is much lighter as it hasn't been upgraded. Flawed design and good gunnery from the Germans and the rest is history.

Hanomag · 02-19-08, 06:34 PM

Thanks Again Kaluens!

Hey Bookworm do you remember how much renown she was worth?? :hmm:

Sailor Steve · 02-19-08, 09:23 PM

Ah, BBW knows his stuff. There were originally four of them planned, but the war ended and plans were cancelled.

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Originally Posted by bookworm_020

I hope not! The hood is worth more in renown than a KGV!

Hood was the pride of the Navy, making world tours and such during the '30s. When Hood found Bismarck a lot of people assumed the battle would be over before it started. They were right, but...

You dang betcha "The Mighty Hood" is worth a lot of renown.

filefool · 02-20-08, 04:55 AM

Someone made a renown chart for GWX 1.03. IIRC the Hood was the most valuable ship on the list with 1500 points. I remember someone complaining that the Bismarck was only worth 1400.

But i don't know if these values have changed with GWX 2.0. I'm sure there is some file in the SH3 folder which contains all the renown points, but i'm no expert on this.

Sailor Steve · 02-20-08, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by filefool

I remember someone complaining that the Bismarck was only worth 1400.

What? He's going to attack Bismarck with his u-boat?:rotfl:

I'm sure the British rated them differently. Bismarck's renown probably doubled after Hood went down.

TomcatMVD · 02-20-08, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by filefool

I remember someone complaining that the Bismarck was only worth 1400.

The problem is that the last 100 points are only applicable if and only if you sink an enemy of your vatherland!:rotfl:

GOZO · 02-20-08, 09:51 AM

HMS repulse of Renown class.

Beauty is she not?

/OB

Jimbuna · 02-20-08, 02:49 PM

An excellent HMS Hood site

http://www.voodoo.cz/hood/

Christoff · 02-20-08, 07:12 PM

http://www.hmshood.com

There's the official (setup by surviving crews relatives) of the BCH Hood.
She was actually a Queen Elizabeth Class Battleship based Hull, Lengthened to increase her top speed, She was capable of 37 knots, had 22"inch belt armour, 8 x 15"inch Guns and weighed in at 48,000 tonnes.
She was the fastest Biggest most heavily armed thing afloat for over twenty years!
Quoting the army chap in the movie Blue Thunder " now that gentleman is a **** storm in anyones' nightmare"
Course, her 37knot top speed had suffered due to excessive wear and tear during her round the world 'goodwill' trips, and a distinct lack of refits, Which alongside the fact that her crew had no time to be trained properly in her newly installed Fire-Control RaDaR sets, cost Hood and all but three of her crew, The battle of the Denmark Straits and sadly their lives. And then a similar fate came upon the Bismarks crew just a few hrs later when she was cornered by Rodney and King George V and the rest of Force H.

Oh and the Renown and Repulse BC's were nothing like the Hood they were based on the old Revenge class BBs' and weighed in at only 28,000 tonnes

Sailor Steve · 02-20-08, 07:53 PM

You seem to have made a couple of misquotes. Hood's main belt was 12", not 22", and her top speed was 32 knots, not 37.

bookworm_020 · 02-20-08, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Hanomag

Thanks Again Kaluens!

Hey Bookworm do you remember how much renown she was worth?? :hmm:

1800 verses 1400 for a KGV

Christoff · 02-21-08, 05:34 PM

While reading a number of Hoods' Crew members diaries, of the ships' shakedown cruise period, One stated that they reached a speed of 36-37 knotts at flank in good weather.
Their's a lot of different information on nearly all ships speeds, armour, armement and displacement.
Of course by the time of Hood V Bismark, as I said the Hoods' old reciprocating steam engines were, for all intents and purposes, Knakered and nowhere near capable of pushing her any faster than 28-30 knotts.
However she was re-fitted during her life, just not the full re-fit she was so desperately in need of.
As an example of mis-information, it's stated by many sources than Hood was not fitted with fire-control RaDaR sets, as I stated in my original post, She was, but her crew had no time to be fully trained on them, as her re-fit was cut short in order for her to leave port and intercept Bismark.
Also a number of sources rated Hood at ony 42,000 tonnes, This is also wrong, That was her last design displacement she actually went over that during construction by almost 7,000 tonnes, due to extra belt and turret face armour being added also thicker driveshafts were used.
A lot of the information on Hood is from design material and her original blueprints.
By the time Hood was completed she had gone through massive changes from her original design, and was a very different ship than was first envivsioned.
I would also like this oportunity to state my own feelings about the so-called flawed concept of the BattleCruiser, In short I dont think they were used correctly, Jutland was a disaster for the design, but only because the ships were used as Battleships were, ie in line ahead formation, this opened them up to long-ranged shellfire which directly falls upon deck armour.
BCs' were designed to be 'let off the leash' just as you would a guard dog, to get in close to the enemy vessel/s where deck armour becomes secondary to belt armour, ie close range fire is most likely to act upon belt armour and not fall upon deck armour.

Anyway, I wouldn't mind seeing a proper WWII version of the Queen Elizabeth in SH3 sometime

as all we have right now is the Revenge class which were not re-fitted, so the two classes looked very different come WWII
Here's a link to one of the most famous QE class BBs' which my Grandad was serving on during the Battle of Jutland, some good pics of her before and after her fe-fit, you can see clearly that her twin stacks became just one...

http://www.hmsbarham.com/

Enjoy, I'm off to play on my Wii for a bit now, on my new 50" plasma telly

02-19-08, 04:44 PM	#1
Hanomag Grey Wolf Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: LI NY Posts: 964 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	BB classification ? Kaluens, Would The Hood be considered a King George class BB? Thanx in advance! __________________ "Only if I can save first..."

02-19-08, 05:00 PM	#2
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	No the Hood was a Admiral class battlecruiser The only one in the class Layed down in 1916 some 20 years before the KGV class __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

02-19-08, 05:10 PM	#3
bookworm_020 Navy Seal Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sinking ships off the Australian coast Posts: 5,966 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	I hope not! The hood is worth more in renown than a KGV! __________________ "There is always one person in any organization who knows whats going on, That person must be fired"

02-19-08, 06:34 PM	#5
Hanomag Grey Wolf Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: LI NY Posts: 964 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	Thanks Again Kaluens! Hey Bookworm do you remember how much renown she was worth?? :hmm: __________________ "Only if I can save first..."

02-20-08, 04:55 AM	#7
filefool Loader Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Austria. Far away from any port or shore. Posts: 87 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Someone made a renown chart for GWX 1.03. IIRC the Hood was the most valuable ship on the list with 1500 points. I remember someone complaining that the Bismarck was only worth 1400. But i don't know if these values have changed with GWX 2.0. I'm sure there is some file in the SH3 folder which contains all the renown points, but i'm no expert on this. __________________

02-19-08, 06:05 PM	#4
bertle Watch Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 29 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	As stated it is a battlecruiser. A heavily upgraded battlecruiser that is heavier than any other British battleship. The ship she's closest related to would be the Renown but the Renown is much lighter as it hasn't been upgraded. Flawed design and good gunnery from the Germans and the rest is history.

02-20-08, 09:51 AM	#10
GOZO Commander Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Linkoping, Sweden Posts: 479 Downloads: 176 Uploads: 0	HMS repulse of Renown class. Beauty is she not? /OB __________________ SHIV:TMo 2.5, RSRD, SCAF OLC, Ralle's modpack SHIV: WDAD, Med Campaign SHIII: GWX3 GOLD, OLCII Gold, ACM-reloaded interface mod, SHIIIcmndr 3.2, Full Realism/DiD SHIII: LSH3 2015 Cold Waters with all bells and whistles Finally SHV but still unmodded and still a noob....

02-20-08, 02:49 PM	#11
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,481 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	An excellent HMS Hood site http://www.voodoo.cz/hood/ __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

02-20-08, 07:12 PM	#12
Christoff Watch Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 25 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	http://www.hmshood.com There's the official (setup by surviving crews relatives) of the BCH Hood. She was actually a Queen Elizabeth Class Battleship based Hull, Lengthened to increase her top speed, She was capable of 37 knots, had 22"inch belt armour, 8 x 15"inch Guns and weighed in at 48,000 tonnes. She was the fastest Biggest most heavily armed thing afloat for over twenty years! Quoting the army chap in the movie Blue Thunder " now that gentleman is a **** storm in anyones' nightmare" Course, her 37knot top speed had suffered due to excessive wear and tear during her round the world 'goodwill' trips, and a distinct lack of refits, Which alongside the fact that her crew had no time to be trained properly in her newly installed Fire-Control RaDaR sets, cost Hood and all but three of her crew, The battle of the Denmark Straits and sadly their lives. And then a similar fate came upon the Bismarks crew just a few hrs later when she was cornered by Rodney and King George V and the rest of Force H. Oh and the Renown and Repulse BC's were nothing like the Hood they were based on the old Revenge class BBs' and weighed in at only 28,000 tonnes Last edited by Christoff; 02-21-08 at 05:38 PM.

02-20-08, 07:53 PM	#13
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	You seem to have made a couple of misquotes. Hood's main belt was 12", not 22", and her top speed was 32 knots, not 37. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

02-21-08, 05:34 PM	#15
Christoff Watch Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 25 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	While reading a number of Hoods' Crew members diaries, of the ships' shakedown cruise period, One stated that they reached a speed of 36-37 knotts at flank in good weather. Their's a lot of different information on nearly all ships speeds, armour, armement and displacement. Of course by the time of Hood V Bismark, as I said the Hoods' old reciprocating steam engines were, for all intents and purposes, Knakered and nowhere near capable of pushing her any faster than 28-30 knotts. However she was re-fitted during her life, just not the full re-fit she was so desperately in need of. As an example of mis-information, it's stated by many sources than Hood was not fitted with fire-control RaDaR sets, as I stated in my original post, She was, but her crew had no time to be fully trained on them, as her re-fit was cut short in order for her to leave port and intercept Bismark. Also a number of sources rated Hood at ony 42,000 tonnes, This is also wrong, That was her last design displacement she actually went over that during construction by almost 7,000 tonnes, due to extra belt and turret face armour being added also thicker driveshafts were used. A lot of the information on Hood is from design material and her original blueprints. By the time Hood was completed she had gone through massive changes from her original design, and was a very different ship than was first envivsioned. I would also like this oportunity to state my own feelings about the so-called flawed concept of the BattleCruiser, In short I dont think they were used correctly, Jutland was a disaster for the design, but only because the ships were used as Battleships were, ie in line ahead formation, this opened them up to long-ranged shellfire which directly falls upon deck armour. BCs' were designed to be 'let off the leash' just as you would a guard dog, to get in close to the enemy vessel/s where deck armour becomes secondary to belt armour, ie close range fire is most likely to act upon belt armour and not fall upon deck armour. Anyway, I wouldn't mind seeing a proper WWII version of the Queen Elizabeth in SH3 sometime as all we have right now is the Revenge class which were not re-fitted, so the two classes looked very different come WWII Here's a link to one of the most famous QE class BBs' which my Grandad was serving on during the Battle of Jutland, some good pics of her before and after her fe-fit, you can see clearly that her twin stacks became just one... http://www.hmsbarham.com/ Enjoy, I'm off to play on my Wii for a bit now, on my new 50" plasma telly Last edited by Christoff; 02-21-08 at 06:02 PM.