Is the AI cheating?

ruskoz · 01-31-08, 10:14 PM

My sub seems to be a easy find for all looking. Everytime a ship that has sub countermeasures comes anywhere near me they find me fast and sink me. I have tired everything from deadstop, 1knot...silent running. Any ideas?

SH 1.4, TM 176

ruskoz · 02-01-08, 01:29 AM

this is crazy!!! I has fairly good at SH3 100% real...I cant do anything to be undetected in SH4. I can site still when i first get sight of convey and they still will come right to me everytime?? Im not a noob to the SH series either.

I have spent the last 2 nights trying to figure out way and all i can say at this point is this is a waste of time. Im about to shelve this if i cant solve this super AI crap soon. i like the game but something is wrong?

Any ideas please!

Captain Vlad · 02-01-08, 01:49 AM

That sounds odd, I usually don't have much trouble getting away from the escorts provided the water is deep.

Tried getting below the layer?

donut · 02-01-08, 02:44 AM

Take-out those damn escorts

Stop a couple of marus from range safe max first,to eat later.Hit the tankers in the engine room. Dip your scope,run silent,daylite come in range under thermal,nite decks awash in closer,Mk 14 for range,rudder 0 steady course before fireing,open outer doors,attack escorts at flank,manuver,use decoys.

Oh,cuties for escorts when they cluster over you,fire at 95 Ft,short flank U-turn,another flank burst to draw cuties back to your area the escorts will be close,dive & wiggle,get back under thermal,run silent.Battle stations loads fish faster,come out of silent when at flank.

DavyJonesFootlocker · 02-01-08, 09:47 AM

Tun off repair crew and reload torpedo buttons for extra silence. If you got depth go past Thermal Layer at slow speed.

ReallyDedPoet · 02-01-08, 09:56 AM

Run silent, run deep

RDP

DavyJonesFootlocker · 02-01-08, 09:59 AM

I concur with the Completely Expired Bard above.

SteamWake · 02-01-08, 10:01 AM

The AI can spot a scope as if it were a flare shot off. :hmm:

Limit your exposure keep a low profile (bow/stern) pointed at the escorts. Only raise the scope for quick peeks. If you intend to avoid the targets go deep as suggested.

Keep silent, turn on silent running, whatever you do dont ping.

Get yourself into a good position where you dont have to do more than a few knots to intercept.

ruskoz · 02-01-08, 10:41 AM

I have tried all the above...one example i found a small convey far off, I could only see their faint smoke so igot in front of them and lost visual. I came to a full stop stayed submerged, rigged for silent running, was not loading torps or doing any repairs and scope down and stayed down the whole time. I then time compressed because i was so far ahead of the convey which only had one escort. I ran this same test 3 times, each time the escort makes a b-line to me...I have also noticed the thermal layer has never worked for me I have tried it many times but the escorts keep making passes and they are always deep charging in my direct area.

For some reason they are picking me up with passive detection and zeroing in on me with active pinging making it impossible to do anything but keep moveing at max speed.

SteamWake · 02-01-08, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ruskoz

making it impossible to do anything but keep moveing at max speed.

Never ever go to flank when trying to evade with one exception. If a DD has you lined up and they start their attack run go to flank and turn hard port or starbord. After a few minutes reduce to 1/3 again and continue out.

When the DD's do their attack run they will go to flank rapidly and they are more or less 'blind' at that point. Idea is to keep them guessing.

If they are dropping DC's off the mark smile and creep your way out of their.

If they are picking you up at a distance when your submerged at all stop you must have done something to alert them to your presance wether it be your scope or some other 'noisy' behaviour.

Quillan · 02-01-08, 11:46 AM

First, never use time compression when near the enemy. In time compression, the computer takes shortcuts, including detection check shortcuts. Boats that will never see you will spot you under TC. In rough seas at night merchant ships will spot a torpedo wake if you use time compression to cut the wait time to impact. Don't use it.

Second, the AI warships seem to be able to automatically detect you anytime they get withing 300 or 400 yards of you, no matter what. Keep your distance at least 500 yards away from any warship.

SteamWake · 02-01-08, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quillan

First, never use time compression when near the enemy. In time compression, the computer takes shortcuts, including detection check shortcuts.

He makes a good point. Since I never do this (TC when in 'action') it never crossed my mind. But now that he mentions it I'd be willing to bet this is the problem.

howler93 · 02-01-08, 01:15 PM

Assuming the TC is the issue here, should we avoid using it to evade as well? For example, lets say that I just sank the Yamoto (haven't even seen her once!), dived below the thermal layer while at silent running, and the escorts are searching madly. Can I creep away at 1kt using time compression off and on? Or will TC's use help them to locate me?

Thanks,
Howler

SteamWake · 02-01-08, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by howler93

Assuming the TC is the issue here, should we avoid using it to evade as well? For example, lets say that I just sank the Yamoto (haven't even seen her once!), dived below the thermal layer while at silent running, and the escorts are searching madly. Can I creep away at 1kt using time compression off and on? Or will TC's use help them to locate me?

Thanks,
Howler

I wouldent recommend it untill you were a goodly distance from them. Basically if you can hear them youre too close.

Taurolas · 02-01-08, 01:46 PM

I've never had escorts head directly at me yet but then again i dont use TC either, on a side note however how many peeps get into good firing positions and then go and open the torpedo tube doors when well within passive sonar range? i know it seems like i'm gettin ya to suck eggs but make sure you open the torpedo tubes before you get within range, i tend to do this on all tubes, dont want to take the chance that passive sonar is gonna pick up the doors opening... if you can hear it they can hear it.

01-31-08, 10:14 PM	#1
ruskoz A-ganger Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 72 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	Is the AI cheating? My sub seems to be a easy find for all looking. Everytime a ship that has sub countermeasures comes anywhere near me they find me fast and sink me. I have tired everything from deadstop, 1knot...silent running. Any ideas? SH 1.4, TM 176

02-01-08, 01:49 AM	#3
Captain Vlad Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Pollard, Oklahoma Posts: 679 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	That sounds odd, I usually don't have much trouble getting away from the escorts provided the water is deep. Tried getting below the layer? __________________ "Stop sounding battlestations just to hear the alarm."

02-01-08, 02:44 AM	#4
donut The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: The Shifting, Whispering Sands, NM Posts: 1,463 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Fight to win Capt.Ruskoz Take-out those damn escorts Stop a couple of marus from range safe max first,to eat later.Hit the tankers in the engine room. Dip your scope,run silent,daylite come in range under thermal,nite decks awash in closer,Mk 14 for range,rudder 0 steady course before fireing,open outer doors,attack escorts at flank,manuver,use decoys. Oh,cuties for escorts when they cluster over you,fire at 95 Ft,short flank U-turn,another flank burst to draw cuties back to your area the escorts will be close,dive & wiggle,get back under thermal,run silent.Battle stations loads fish faster,come out of silent when at flank.

02-01-08, 09:47 AM	#5
DavyJonesFootlocker The Old Man Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Stink Drunk in Trinidad Posts: 1,572 Downloads: 138 Uploads: 0	Tun off repair crew and reload torpedo buttons for extra silence. If you got depth go past Thermal Layer at slow speed. __________________ "Silence means death. Stand on your feet. Inner fear your worst enemy."- Sepultura. My Silent Hunter 5 mantra is this......"Torpedo missed, sir!" A P-400 is a P-40 with a Zero after it. A proud member of the Wikipedia Haters Club

02-01-08, 09:56 AM	#6
ReallyDedPoet Canadian Wolf Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada. The one and only, East Coast Posts: 10,884 Downloads: 946 Uploads: 5	Run silent, run deep RDP __________________ Back in the Day

02-01-08, 01:29 AM	#2
ruskoz A-ganger Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 72 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	this is crazy!!! I has fairly good at SH3 100% real...I cant do anything to be undetected in SH4. I can site still when i first get sight of convey and they still will come right to me everytime?? Im not a noob to the SH series either. I have spent the last 2 nights trying to figure out way and all i can say at this point is this is a waste of time. Im about to shelve this if i cant solve this super AI crap soon. i like the game but something is wrong? Any ideas please!

02-01-08, 09:59 AM	#7
DavyJonesFootlocker The Old Man Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Stink Drunk in Trinidad Posts: 1,572 Downloads: 138 Uploads: 0	I concur with the Completely Expired Bard above. __________________ "Silence means death. Stand on your feet. Inner fear your worst enemy."- Sepultura. My Silent Hunter 5 mantra is this......"Torpedo missed, sir!" A P-400 is a P-40 with a Zero after it. A proud member of the Wikipedia Haters Club

02-01-08, 10:01 AM	#8
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	The AI can spot a scope as if it were a flare shot off. :hmm: Limit your exposure keep a low profile (bow/stern) pointed at the escorts. Only raise the scope for quick peeks. If you intend to avoid the targets go deep as suggested. Keep silent, turn on silent running, whatever you do dont ping. Get yourself into a good position where you dont have to do more than a few knots to intercept.

02-01-08, 10:41 AM	#9
ruskoz A-ganger Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 72 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	I have tried all the above...one example i found a small convey far off, I could only see their faint smoke so igot in front of them and lost visual. I came to a full stop stayed submerged, rigged for silent running, was not loading torps or doing any repairs and scope down and stayed down the whole time. I then time compressed because i was so far ahead of the convey which only had one escort. I ran this same test 3 times, each time the escort makes a b-line to me...I have also noticed the thermal layer has never worked for me I have tried it many times but the escorts keep making passes and they are always deep charging in my direct area. For some reason they are picking me up with passive detection and zeroing in on me with active pinging making it impossible to do anything but keep moveing at max speed.

02-01-08, 11:46 AM	#11
Quillan Samurai Navy Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 579 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	First, never use time compression when near the enemy. In time compression, the computer takes shortcuts, including detection check shortcuts. Boats that will never see you will spot you under TC. In rough seas at night merchant ships will spot a torpedo wake if you use time compression to cut the wait time to impact. Don't use it. Second, the AI warships seem to be able to automatically detect you anytime they get withing 300 or 400 yards of you, no matter what. Keep your distance at least 500 yards away from any warship. __________________ We, the unwilling, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much, for so long, with so little, that we are now qualified to do anything with nothing.

02-01-08, 01:15 PM	#13
howler93 Medic Join Date: May 2007 Location: Telluride, Colorado Posts: 162 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	Assuming the TC is the issue here, should we avoid using it to evade as well? For example, lets say that I just sank the Yamoto (haven't even seen her once!), dived below the thermal layer while at silent running, and the escorts are searching madly. Can I creep away at 1kt using time compression off and on? Or will TC's use help them to locate me? Thanks, Howler

02-01-08, 01:46 PM	#15
Taurolas Medic Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Notts UK Posts: 163 Downloads: 167 Uploads: 0	I've never had escorts head directly at me yet but then again i dont use TC either, on a side note however how many peeps get into good firing positions and then go and open the torpedo tube doors when well within passive sonar range? i know it seems like i'm gettin ya to suck eggs but make sure you open the torpedo tubes before you get within range, i tend to do this on all tubes, dont want to take the chance that passive sonar is gonna pick up the doors opening... if you can hear it they can hear it.