submarine wars impact on environment

raduz · 03-09-07, 02:59 AM

maybe off topic, but have you ever think how many sea animals died during a single DC attack? my grand father told me that during WW2, he was in the mountains with his friends, and as they were hungry and they had no fishing rod, they threw a grenade to the river. (they were soldiers). after the explosion, plenty of dead fishes appeared on the surface...

so if one small grenade caused death to so many animals, what impact had thousands of DC? or a single sunk tanker?

IRONxMortlock · 03-09-07, 03:01 AM

Not only this but think about the sheer amount of oil which was spilt into the seas!
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raduz · 03-09-07, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by IRONxMortlock

Not only this but think about the sheer amount of oil which was spilt into the seas!

that s what I meant by "a single sunk tanker"

Zero Niner · 03-09-07, 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by raduz

maybe off topic, but have you ever think how many sea animals died during a single DC attack? my grand father told me that during WW2, he was in the mountains with his friends, and as they were hungry and they had no fishing rod, they threw a grenade to the river. (they were soldiers). after the explosion, plenty of dead fishes appeared on the surface...

so if one small grenade caused death to so many animals, what impact had thousands of DC? or a single sunk tanker?

Then again, the sound of high speed screws & sonar pings might've scared the fish away...

Dantenoc · 03-09-07, 03:42 AM

The stories of all those dead fish washing up on the shore during D-Day come to mind.

raduz · 03-09-07, 03:42 AM

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Then again, the sound of high speed screws & sonar pings might've scared the fish away...

heh I almost forgot! Off course, sound of screws and pings had the most detrimental effect on sea life

AndyW · 03-09-07, 04:35 AM

I have read that "Operation Drumbeat" (the attack of German u-boats on the U.S. coast early 1942) was also so successfull because the Hotel and bar owners on the Florida coast refused to black-out, because they were concerned that this will harm the tourist business. As a result, the german u-boats found ships perfectely illumiated from the nearby coast.

After the german u-boats had sunk a few tankers thanks to that, the hotel and bar owners around the Florida coast had a different problem, as the beaches were now full of oil, wreckage and here and then bodies of dead sailors. That was the time they agreed that a black-out would have been the lesser problem for thier business.

Cheers,
AndyW

Torplexed · 03-09-07, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by IRONxMortlock

Not only this but think about the sheer amount of oil which was spilt into the seas!

A very large tanker in WW2 was about 15,000 gross registered tons. Most were around 8,000 tons. The Exxon Valdez was 110,831 grt. The really big supertankers are up to 240,000 tons displacement. You'd have to sink a lot of full-up tankers (not sailing in ballast) in WW2 to create the devastation of one supertanker sinking today. I'm not saying it didn't have an impact, but the effects were'nt nearly as concentrated as they would be in the postwar future.

Corsair · 03-09-07, 08:18 AM

Listening to a few DDs dropping cans at a safe distance from my sub, I sure think they are killing a lot of fish... The sea birds will have a hell of a good time after that when things quiet down...

raduz · 03-09-07, 08:33 AM

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Listening to a few DDs dropping cans at a safe distance from my sub, I sure think they are killing a lot of fish... The sea birds will have a hell of a good time after that when things quiet down...

how cynical!

Corsair · 03-09-07, 08:47 AM

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Listening to a few DDs dropping cans at a safe distance from my sub, I sure think they are killing a lot of fish... The sea birds will have a hell of a good time after that when things quiet down...

how cynical!

Just trying to see the positive side of things...

Kingswat · 03-09-07, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by IRONxMortlock

Not only this but think about the sheer amount of oil which was spilt into the seas!

well, the "oil hurts stuff" attitude is just a conspiracy by the people that hug trees to get us to stop using oil.

Foghladh_mhara · 03-09-07, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by IRONxMortlock

Not only this but think about the sheer amount of oil which was spilt into the seas!

well, the "oil hurts stuff" attitude is just a conspiracy by the people that hug trees to get us to stop using oil.

Yeah, damned tree huggers. They're prob behind that 'smoking is bad for you' crap as well just so we wont hurt the tobacco plants

AVGWarhawk · 03-09-07, 12:04 PM

Many a whale was tracked and DC'd

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What's in that uboat somewhere of Norway......mercury I think!?!?. It is leaking now and creating a mess.

Kpt. Kozloff · 03-09-07, 12:26 PM

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What's in that uboat somewhere of Norway......mercury I think!?!?. It is leaking now and creating a mess.

Correct. 5th Dec 1944, British sub Venturer torpedoed U-864, wich sunk with 73 men and 1857 canisters of mercury as well as jet-plane parts, destined for Japan.

03-09-07, 02:59 AM	#1
raduz Engineer Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Slovakia Posts: 205 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	submarine wars impact on environment maybe off topic, but have you ever think how many sea animals died during a single DC attack? my grand father told me that during WW2, he was in the mountains with his friends, and as they were hungry and they had no fishing rod, they threw a grenade to the river. (they were soldiers). after the explosion, plenty of dead fishes appeared on the surface... so if one small grenade caused death to so many animals, what impact had thousands of DC? or a single sunk tanker?

03-09-07, 03:01 AM	#2
IRONxMortlock Watch Officer Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 339 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Not only this but think about the sheer amount of oil which was spilt into the seas! ________ CALIFORNIA MEDICAL MARIJUANA DISPENSARY Last edited by IRONxMortlock; 08-14-11 at 02:58 PM.

03-09-07, 03:42 AM	#5
Dantenoc Captain Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Ensenada, B.C., Mexico Posts: 504 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The stories of all those dead fish washing up on the shore during D-Day come to mind. __________________ Going to U-boot school : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=88922 http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=90234 http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=88961 http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=97682

03-09-07, 04:35 AM	#7
AndyW Electrician's Mate Join Date: May 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 133 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 0	I have read that "Operation Drumbeat" (the attack of German u-boats on the U.S. coast early 1942) was also so successfull because the Hotel and bar owners on the Florida coast refused to black-out, because they were concerned that this will harm the tourist business. As a result, the german u-boats found ships perfectely illumiated from the nearby coast. After the german u-boats had sunk a few tankers thanks to that, the hotel and bar owners around the Florida coast had a different problem, as the beaches were now full of oil, wreckage and here and then bodies of dead sailors. That was the time they agreed that a black-out would have been the lesser problem for thier business. Cheers, AndyW __________________ currently U-200 (Type IXD2) Ltn.z.See Schonder, 2nd patrol (July 1943) [SH3 1.4b + GWX 2.1 @ 90% realism + U-Jagdtools + LRT + Seadbed Repair, DiD] TOTAL: 11 careers, 47 patrols, 1,033 days at sea, 633,585 tons sunk

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Corsair Ace of the Deep Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Toulouse France Posts: 1,140 Downloads: 51 Uploads: 0	Listening to a few DDs dropping cans at a safe distance from my sub, I sure think they are killing a lot of fish... The sea birds will have a hell of a good time after that when things quiet down... __________________ NYGM 3.4A / Living SH3 V5.1 + SH3 Commander

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AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,253 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Many a whale was tracked and DC'd. What's in that uboat somewhere of Norway......mercury I think!?!?. It is leaking now and creating a mess. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road