XabbaRus, What do you think of this?

STEED · 12-28-06, 06:17 AM

All secondary pupils in Scotland should be given ID cards

Sounds like ID Cards via the back door to me.

Linton · 12-28-06, 06:23 AM

A lot of schoolchildren already have a connexion card.It holds data on them from school and is a backdoor id card.

TteFAboB · 12-28-06, 02:04 PM

1st - This won't "stop" anything as promised, but might indeed reduce the number of cases, at the very least making things more difficult for the bullies. Although there's a possibility things could get worse: bullies could start ambushing kids outside the schools, not generating any bullying "reports" distorting the statistics of their activity.

2nd - I have a far simpler, cheaper and quicker way to eliminate bullying completely, 100%, without a single exception: Vigilantism. If the bullied kids are not fighting back for some reason then somebody else has to do it for them. Bigger and stronger kids can gang-up on the bullies. Through the Vigilante's advantages (numerical, technical or technological and sheer superior strength) bullies are guaranteed to learn their lesson after the first confrontation.

If you let them go rampant, let it happen everyday without any consequences, turn a blind eye, all it takes is one smartass and the bullying begins or grows in number. If you're not willing to observe, note their names down and stop it, then start distributing the baseball bats to the Anti-Bully Brigade. You can't eliminate the responsibility, so transfer it instead of ignoring the whole situation.

If the kids are to be treated like adults, young-men, if they must not be disciplined in any way whatsoever nor taught or shown how to behave, then the school must be exactly like an adult school and have its own campus police! This vacuum of order doesn't exist in adult world, so if kids are to be allowed to rob each other's money they must also be allowed to live under the School's Jurisdiction and also be allowed to be arrested by the School's Police and sentenced by the School's Court. Kids Rights! Education is not free nor was it ever this abundant and easily accessible, if you don't or can't value it and make nothing but mess, you don't deserve it and you can go live in a cave while grateful kids from the 3rd World gladly take your place.

XabbaRus · 12-28-06, 04:09 PM

I agree STEED this is a joke. I hope to hell that someone pulls the plug on this.

Wish there was something I could do.

ID cards will not stop bullying, They'll find another way. IE threaten the kid onto handing the meal over or he gets beaten after lunch.

Bloody scary.

The Munster · 12-28-06, 05:43 PM

As per usual, Scotland, the 'guinea pig' of the UK.. try it on us first ! Remember the poll tax ? we were the first to have it and suffered it a year before anywhere else. UK democracy at it's best.

Ramius · 12-28-06, 06:29 PM

Nothing new there, my eldest has had something like this for the last 3 years (In England

).

A good idea in some ways, bad in others. Bullies don't take long to figure out that everyone will be coming into school on a Monday with a week or more money to put on the card.
But I was also able to check and see what my kids where buying at the school too

XabbaRus · 12-28-06, 06:59 PM

I wouldn't say that Scotland is the Guinea Pig of the UK. I remember the Poll tax, was just a kid though.

Here is irony though. Many of teh scots I know think that the poll tax is a fairer tax than the council tax. Mind you these are people who are either single or don't have kids and all that.

Besides since we have that thing called a parliament the scottish MPs can try stuff out on Scotland themselves.

STEED was it you who posted the link about primary school kids being fingerprinted for library cards?

You'll love this link

http://www.leavethemkidsalone.com/

12-28-06, 06:17 AM	#1
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	XabbaRus, What do you think of this? All secondary pupils in Scotland should be given ID cards Sounds like ID Cards via the back door to me. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

12-28-06, 06:23 AM	#2
Linton Sea Lord Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,898 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	A lot of schoolchildren already have a connexion card.It holds data on them from school and is a backdoor id card. __________________ http://lintonsview.blogspot.com/

12-28-06, 02:04 PM	#3
TteFAboB Admiral Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,247 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	1st - This won't "stop" anything as promised, but might indeed reduce the number of cases, at the very least making things more difficult for the bullies. Although there's a possibility things could get worse: bullies could start ambushing kids outside the schools, not generating any bullying "reports" distorting the statistics of their activity. 2nd - I have a far simpler, cheaper and quicker way to eliminate bullying completely, 100%, without a single exception: Vigilantism. If the bullied kids are not fighting back for some reason then somebody else has to do it for them. Bigger and stronger kids can gang-up on the bullies. Through the Vigilante's advantages (numerical, technical or technological and sheer superior strength) bullies are guaranteed to learn their lesson after the first confrontation. If you let them go rampant, let it happen everyday without any consequences, turn a blind eye, all it takes is one smartass and the bullying begins or grows in number. If you're not willing to observe, note their names down and stop it, then start distributing the baseball bats to the Anti-Bully Brigade. You can't eliminate the responsibility, so transfer it instead of ignoring the whole situation. If the kids are to be treated like adults, young-men, if they must not be disciplined in any way whatsoever nor taught or shown how to behave, then the school must be exactly like an adult school and have its own campus police! This vacuum of order doesn't exist in adult world, so if kids are to be allowed to rob each other's money they must also be allowed to live under the School's Jurisdiction and also be allowed to be arrested by the School's Police and sentenced by the School's Court. Kids Rights! Education is not free nor was it ever this abundant and easily accessible, if you don't or can't value it and make nothing but mess, you don't deserve it and you can go live in a cave while grateful kids from the 3rd World gladly take your place. __________________ "Tout ce qui est exagéré est insignifiant." ("All that is exaggerated is insignificant.") - Talleyrand

12-28-06, 04:09 PM	#4
XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I agree STEED this is a joke. I hope to hell that someone pulls the plug on this. Wish there was something I could do. ID cards will not stop bullying, They'll find another way. IE threaten the kid onto handing the meal over or he gets beaten after lunch. Bloody scary. __________________

12-28-06, 05:43 PM	#5
The Munster Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Deepest Dumbria Posts: 1,243 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	As per usual, Scotland, the 'guinea pig' of the UK.. try it on us first ! Remember the poll tax ? we were the first to have it and suffered it a year before anywhere else. UK democracy at it's best. __________________ *GWX Team Member; Retired* GWX Home Page

12-28-06, 06:29 PM	#6
Ramius Commander Join Date: May 2001 Location: At sea (again) Posts: 457 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Nothing new there, my eldest has had something like this for the last 3 years (In England ). A good idea in some ways, bad in others. Bullies don't take long to figure out that everyone will be coming into school on a Monday with a week or more money to put on the card. But I was also able to check and see what my kids where buying at the school too __________________ There is a forgotten, nay even forbidden word, which means more to me than any other. That word is England

12-28-06, 06:59 PM	#7
XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I wouldn't say that Scotland is the Guinea Pig of the UK. I remember the Poll tax, was just a kid though. Here is irony though. Many of teh scots I know think that the poll tax is a fairer tax than the council tax. Mind you these are people who are either single or don't have kids and all that. Besides since we have that thing called a parliament the scottish MPs can try stuff out on Scotland themselves. STEED was it you who posted the link about primary school kids being fingerprinted for library cards? You'll love this link http://www.leavethemkidsalone.com/ __________________