29th flotilla Gibraltar run

Keelbuster · 11-08-07, 02:27 PM

GWX 1.03 - i'm in the 29th flotilla. It's June 44 and based on the GWX manual, 29th disbands in august or september. I want to make the gibraltar run. In previous careers, i've seen the radio message ordering med. uboats to either scuttle or run make the gibraltar run. Unfortunately in those cases I was outside the med. Not this time. Does anyone know if when I'm back at Toulon and the date goes past august, will I be automatically whisked to a french port outside the med, or will I be ordered to make the run? Do I have to be at sea to get this order? I can imagine being at sea and it suddenly changing my return port to Nazaire. If that's what's required, I will stay arrange to be at sea when that happens. If you guys have done this, let me know so I can do it right - I _must_ attempt the run. Anyone know the exact date that the order gets sent out? My whole career has been leading up to this.

Packerton · 11-08-07, 03:53 PM

Rule number 1 of U boat Warfare: STAY AWAY FROM DER CANAL.

Rule number 2 of U boat warefare: STAY AWAY FROM DER GIBRALTAR!

Not sure what you can do in that situation though, try to make the run after waiting for bad weather to give you the highest rate of sucesss, I play at 100% Realism though so it may be a bit easier for you.

Good luck.

baggygreen · 11-08-07, 04:13 PM

I dont think you get a message. Course, i dunno what 44 is, never having made it that far! my guess is that the port will change hands and if you try to dock there you'll be in a bit of trouble. If you're out at sea while the swap takes place, make sure you've got enough fuel for the journey...

Von Manteuffel · 11-08-07, 04:22 PM

Night; poor weather if possible; fully silent-running; no more than 3 knots - be prepared to stop and start a lot; periscope dpth, but minimal use of the 'scope. Stay as close to the North African shore as you can without getting into very shallow water - creep and crawl and, with luck, you might make it.

Luck.

Keelbuster · 11-08-07, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Von Manteuffel

Luck.

Luck - and a pressure hull that can do 450.

Vacillator · 11-09-07, 05:00 AM

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Luck - and a pressure hull that can do 450.

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Aren't the Straits somewhat shallow? A 450 hull will not be of much use in that case.

Or are there bits that deep?

EDIT: Okay Wikipedia tells me:
'The strait depth ranges between 300 and 900 meters.'

So maybe a 450 hull would be useful after all

Hartmann · 11-08-07, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Von Manteuffel

Night; poor weather if possible; fully silent-running; no more than 3 knots - be prepared to stop and start a lot; periscope dpth, but minimal use of the 'scope. Stay as close to the North African shore as you can without getting into very shallow water - creep and crawl and, with luck, you might make it.

Luck.

Very good advices

i sneaked inside the med running near of the africa coast in january of 1942 with a IX-B boat, but is easier because the allied radar is less developed, but i had to dive and run several times.

in 1944 probably could be done but a snorkel could be very useful.

In command aces of the deep it was very well simulated, because there are a submarine current of 6-7 knts and is impossible go to the atlantic dived.

Fenris_Wolf · 11-09-07, 05:01 AM

The old man said that there are two parallel currents in the strait at different depths, flowing opposite to each other?

Even if you could dive to 450m I don't think the strait is deep enough. As a hint, most of the patrols travel from coast to coast (perpendicular to your path) with the occasional DD zig-zagging through the strait. Lots of smaller boats in those patrols too (and all the merchant traffic will keep your sonar busy).

My advice would be the same as Von Manteuffel's because that's how I crossed the strait. In your case, the schnorkell should make things much easier.

Gezoes · 11-08-07, 05:11 PM

Well, I'd like to do that run oneday, so I'm all ears!

KeptinCranky · 11-08-07, 05:30 PM

I've busted in in '42 once but never busted out again,
this wasn't really feasible historically because there's a 2 or 3 knot current against if you try to head west, this would seriously hamper any attempt at running silent and then there's only one thing that might save you, Keelbuster's mighty pressure hull that goes to 450, and maybe not even that.

LeafsFan · 11-08-07, 06:19 PM

Good Luck!!

HB

Kpt. Kozloff · 11-21-07, 07:01 AM

Hi Keelbuster,
I've been in the Med since the establishment of the base in Salamis, then i got transfered to La Spezia and then to Toulon. It's May 1944 at this point and i was wondering the same thing. I guess we will recieve the transfer order to other base at the french atlantic coast or in Norway. I ain't scuttling, that's for sure! I'm going to make the run. The first one to check what happens when Toulon is taken by the Allies will post some info, alright? Good luck.

Keelbuster · 11-21-07, 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kpt. Kozloff

Hi Keelbuster,
I've been in the Med since the establishment of the base in Salamis, then i got transfered to La Spezia and then to Toulon. It's May 1944 at this point and i was wondering the same thing. I guess we will recieve the transfer order to other base at the french atlantic coast or in Norway. I ain't scuttling, that's for sure! I'm going to make the run. The first one to check what happens when Toulon is taken by the Allies will post some info, alright? Good luck.

Roger that. If the order comes, I'll get it this patrol or next. I'll let you know what happens.

Kb

Kpt. Kozloff · 11-23-07, 08:28 AM

Hi Kb,
It's 15th of June and i've been on patrol since the 8th and just got a message from BdU: "The base was changed to St. Nazaire". It happened just after i reloaded the game from the savegame i made after finishing my usual '24h - patrol your grid duty'. Although the info about your new base doesn't change on the briefing and orders pad. Starting and return base is still Toulon. Maybe that'll change when i send patrol report at the end of the patrol when i exhaust all my torpedos, then you get the "Return to base" order. We'll see. I'll post some screenies when i get home.
Cheerio.

Keelbuster · 11-23-07, 02:35 PM

Crazy - sounds like the order I've been waiting for. But it's already Aug 5th for me - still toulon-toulon. Hope they haven't forgotten me...

GWX 1.03?

Kb

11-08-07, 02:27 PM	#1
Keelbuster Ace of the Deep Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: BA 72 Posts: 1,092 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	29th flotilla Gibraltar run GWX 1.03 - i'm in the 29th flotilla. It's June 44 and based on the GWX manual, 29th disbands in august or september. I want to make the gibraltar run. In previous careers, i've seen the radio message ordering med. uboats to either scuttle or run make the gibraltar run. Unfortunately in those cases I was outside the med. Not this time. Does anyone know if when I'm back at Toulon and the date goes past august, will I be automatically whisked to a french port outside the med, or will I be ordered to make the run? Do I have to be at sea to get this order? I can imagine being at sea and it suddenly changing my return port to Nazaire. If that's what's required, I will stay arrange to be at sea when that happens. If you guys have done this, let me know so I can do it right - I _must_ attempt the run. Anyone know the exact date that the order gets sent out? My whole career has been leading up to this. __________________

11-08-07, 03:53 PM	#2
Packerton Sonar Guy Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Newfoundland,Canada Posts: 398 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Rule number 1 of U boat Warfare: STAY AWAY FROM DER CANAL. Rule number 2 of U boat warefare: STAY AWAY FROM DER GIBRALTAR! Not sure what you can do in that situation though, try to make the run after waiting for bad weather to give you the highest rate of sucesss, I play at 100% Realism though so it may be a bit easier for you. Good luck. __________________ GWX crew member. Come Hell or High water, we get it done!

11-09-07, 05:00 AM	#6
Vacillator Frogman Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: UK Posts: 307 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	[/quote] Luck - and a pressure hull that can do 450. [/quote] Aren't the Straits somewhat shallow? A 450 hull will not be of much use in that case. Or are there bits that deep? EDIT: Okay Wikipedia tells me: 'The strait depth ranges between 300 and 900 meters.' So maybe a 450 hull would be useful after all Last edited by Vacillator; 11-09-07 at 05:10 AM.

11-09-07, 05:01 AM	#8
Fenris_Wolf Sparky Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 155 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	The old man said that there are two parallel currents in the strait at different depths, flowing opposite to each other? Even if you could dive to 450m I don't think the strait is deep enough. As a hint, most of the patrols travel from coast to coast (perpendicular to your path) with the occasional DD zig-zagging through the strait. Lots of smaller boats in those patrols too (and all the merchant traffic will keep your sonar busy). My advice would be the same as Von Manteuffel's because that's how I crossed the strait. In your case, the schnorkell should make things much easier. __________________ NO HOOCHIE WOOCHIE - NO LIFE!

11-08-07, 05:11 PM	#9
Gezoes XO Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 435 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	Well, I'd like to do that run oneday, so I'm all ears! __________________ If I wasn't a little mad, I'd go mad.

11-08-07, 04:13 PM	#3
baggygreen Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canberra, ACT, Down Under (really On Top) Posts: 1,880 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	I dont think you get a message. Course, i dunno what 44 is, never having made it that far! my guess is that the port will change hands and if you try to dock there you'll be in a bit of trouble. If you're out at sea while the swap takes place, make sure you've got enough fuel for the journey...

11-08-07, 04:22 PM	#4
Von Manteuffel Commander Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: UK Posts: 473 Downloads: 411 Uploads: 0	Night; poor weather if possible; fully silent-running; no more than 3 knots - be prepared to stop and start a lot; periscope dpth, but minimal use of the 'scope. Stay as close to the North African shore as you can without getting into very shallow water - creep and crawl and, with luck, you might make it. Luck.

11-08-07, 05:30 PM	#10
KeptinCranky Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,050 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	I've busted in in '42 once but never busted out again, this wasn't really feasible historically because there's a 2 or 3 knot current against if you try to head west, this would seriously hamper any attempt at running silent and then there's only one thing that might save you, Keelbuster's mighty pressure hull that goes to 450, and maybe not even that.

11-08-07, 06:19 PM	#11
LeafsFan Watch Officer Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada Posts: 332 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Good Luck!! HB

11-21-07, 07:01 AM	#12
Kpt. Kozloff Frogman Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Jersey - Channel Islands, UK Posts: 305 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	Hi Keelbuster, I've been in the Med since the establishment of the base in Salamis, then i got transfered to La Spezia and then to Toulon. It's May 1944 at this point and i was wondering the same thing. I guess we will recieve the transfer order to other base at the french atlantic coast or in Norway. I ain't scuttling, that's for sure! I'm going to make the run. The first one to check what happens when Toulon is taken by the Allies will post some info, alright? Good luck. __________________ GWX1.03/Cmdr2.7/plus all sorts of tweaks

11-23-07, 08:28 AM	#14
Kpt. Kozloff Frogman Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Jersey - Channel Islands, UK Posts: 305 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	Hi Kb, It's 15th of June and i've been on patrol since the 8th and just got a message from BdU: "The base was changed to St. Nazaire". It happened just after i reloaded the game from the savegame i made after finishing my usual '24h - patrol your grid duty'. Although the info about your new base doesn't change on the briefing and orders pad. Starting and return base is still Toulon. Maybe that'll change when i send patrol report at the end of the patrol when i exhaust all my torpedos, then you get the "Return to base" order. We'll see. I'll post some screenies when i get home. Cheerio. __________________ GWX1.03/Cmdr2.7/plus all sorts of tweaks

11-23-07, 02:35 PM	#15
Keelbuster Ace of the Deep Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: BA 72 Posts: 1,092 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Crazy - sounds like the order I've been waiting for. But it's already Aug 5th for me - still toulon-toulon. Hope they haven't forgotten me... GWX 1.03? Kb __________________