SUBSIM Radio Room Forums



SUBSIM: The Web's #1 resource for all submarine & naval simulations since 1997

Go Back   SUBSIM Radio Room Forums > General > General Topics
Forget password? Reset here

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-11-05, 03:39 PM   #1
Skybird
Soaring
 
Skybird's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: the mental asylum named Germany
Posts: 42,602
Downloads: 10
Uploads: 0


Default (...)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4519446.stm

No words can describe how I feel.
__________________
If you feel nuts, consult an expert.
Skybird is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-05, 03:41 PM   #2
Etienne
Seasoned Skipper
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Canada
Posts: 695
Downloads: 1
Uploads: 0
Default

Heh.
Etienne is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-05, 04:01 PM   #3
Polak
Grey Wolf
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Poland/Sweden
Posts: 808
Downloads: 1
Uploads: 0
Default

__________________
Polak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-05, 04:05 PM   #4
Ramius
Commander
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: At sea (again)
Posts: 457
Downloads: 43
Uploads: 0
Default

Quote:
the bird's killer was fined for shooting a protected species.
:rotfl: How the hell is a spuggy a protected species
__________________
There is a forgotten, nay even forbidden word, which means more to me than any other.
That word is England
Ramius is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-05, 05:23 PM   #5
Camaero
The Old Man
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: USA, Massachusetts
Posts: 1,477
Downloads: 18
Uploads: 0
Default

wow :rotfl:
__________________
Camaero is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-05, 05:55 PM   #6
Konovalov
Ocean Warrior
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: High Wycombe, Bucks, UK
Posts: 2,811
Downloads: 9
Uploads: 0
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramius
Quote:
the bird's killer was fined for shooting a protected species.
:rotfl: How the hell is a spuggy a protected species
:rotfl: :rotfl:

I was thinking the same thing. What is next to be a protected species? The cockroach or blowfly perhaps? :hmm:
__________________
"In a Christian context, sexuality is traditionally seen as a consequence of the Fall, but for Muslims, it is an anticipation of paradise. So I can say, I think, that I was validly converted to Islam by a teenage French Jewish nudist." Sheikh Abdul-Hakim Murad (Timothy Winter)
Konovalov is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-05, 07:09 PM   #7
XabbaRus
Navy Seal
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Posts: 5,330
Downloads: 5
Uploads: 0


Default

Tree huggers have gone mad.

I think there is something seriously wrong with people who will put the life of an animal above that of a human.

Can anyone also tell me that these Animal Liberation Front thing refuse medication on the ground that it has more than likely been tested on animals? And would they in the future?

In the UK there have been special laws put in place that stop the ALF and their ilk from hassling people and can have them locked up. Bascially anti-terrorism legislation tailored to animal rights nutters.

The real nuts complain they are being treated like terrorists but then quite a few of them act like them..

The world has gone mad.
__________________
XabbaRus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-05, 07:13 PM   #8
SmithN23
Gunner
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 91
Downloads: 2
Uploads: 0
Default

are tree huggers a protected species? can we shoot them?
__________________



The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
- Edmund Bruke
SmithN23 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-05, 07:16 PM   #9
Excalibur Bane
XO
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 429
Downloads: 20
Uploads: 0
Default

Wow. Fascinating.

The world is fortunate I do not have any kind of authority, otherwise I would execute every person in this "Animal Rights" group in this particular area, along with their children and anyone else with a drop of their blood in them, so they don't contribute worthless material to the genetic pool.

Einstein was right, human stupidity is definately endless.
__________________
Looking for a list of mods for SH4? Everything you need is here: List Of Modifications for SH4 v1.3

"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph, is for good men to do nothing."
Excalibur Bane is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-05, 07:17 PM   #10
DAB
Lieutenant
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 263
Downloads: 5
Uploads: 0
Default

I think the Sparrow is more endangered on the Continent then in the British Isles (to answer the remarks of a few of the British contributers)

As for the greaving. This has been going on for a while (I'm suprised it hasn't been picked up here before). I find it funny but also take heart...I think we would all be horrified if popular culture had no regard for any life.

Reminds me of the last day of the US elections. In Europe and the UK, there was a lot of ammusement over the fact that in order to show himself as "One with Nature", John Kerry felt the need to march into a forrest with a shotgun and shoot at the local wildlife.

The various explanations that will be given in reply to this post should prove amusing during my lunch break tomorrow
__________________
...snorting / snorkelling after several years of silent running.
DAB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-05, 07:19 PM   #11
Excalibur Bane
XO
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 429
Downloads: 20
Uploads: 0
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Excalibur Bane
Wow. Fascinating.

The world is fortunate I do not have any kind of authority, otherwise I would execute every person in this "Animal Rights" group in this particular area, along with their children and anyone else with a drop of their blood in them, so they don't contribute worthless material to the genetic pool.

Einstein was right, human stupidity is definately endless.
Actually, scratch that. I would execute them and THEN stuff them, mount them on the plaque and put it in the middle of the city as a warning to the next ten generations about what happens to stupid people.
__________________
Looking for a list of mods for SH4? Everything you need is here: List Of Modifications for SH4 v1.3

"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph, is for good men to do nothing."
Excalibur Bane is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-05, 08:25 PM   #12
CCIP
Navy Seal
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Waterloo, Canada
Posts: 8,700
Downloads: 29
Uploads: 2


Default

I don't see why the hostility.

Animal rights groups that let tigers out of zoos or cows out of farms, sure. THAT's stupid.

But I do take sympathy for the sparrow here, although it's obvious that the issue is a little overblown. 'Tree huggers' or not - learn some compassion, will you? There's a distinction between killing something that wants to eat you or something that you want to eat - and killing something over a bunch of dominos.

I'm personally far more amused by people running around killing sparrows over dominos than people making memorials for dead sparrows. Freakin' dominos don't live and breathe.
__________________

There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers.
-Don Van Vliet
(aka Captain Beefheart)
CCIP is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-05, 09:02 PM   #13
Excalibur Bane
XO
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 429
Downloads: 20
Uploads: 0
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CCIP
I don't see why the hostility.

Animal rights groups that let tigers out of zoos or cows out of farms, sure. THAT's stupid.

But I do take sympathy for the sparrow here, although it's obvious that the issue is a little overblown. 'Tree huggers' or not - learn some compassion, will you? There's a distinction between killing something that wants to eat you or something that you want to eat - and killing something over a bunch of dominos.

I'm personally far more amused by people running around killing sparrows over dominos than people making memorials for dead sparrows. Freakin' dominos don't live and breathe.
Hmm. Actually, I would be more inclined to show compassion to someone who let a Tiger out of a zoo. They have the right idea, in a sense. The Tiger is most likely suffering, being enclosed all the time and having people point and stare at you all day can't be good for one's mental health, human or animal.

These people are just naturally stupid, or their parents taught it to them I suppose. Although, stupidity to this degree is very hard to teach, it usually comes naturally to one.

Why is it stupid? Simple, it's a sparrow. A bird. Nothing more, nothing less. Nature will not weep because it is dead, nor will the ecosystem shrivel up and die because it's short one bird. Life isn't quite as fragile as these fools would like us to believe.

Beyond that, I very much doubt that the sparrow even knew what hit him when he was shot. I would suspect it died instantly, but they didn't list what kind of weapon that was used or show the wound, so I don't know for sure. "Air gun" is a bit vague.

As far as I'm concerned, this has absolutely nothing to do with animal rights. In this case, if a sparrow tried to screw up a domino record that took hundreds of hours to setup, your damn right I'm gonna shoot it's ass. Simple human behavior. What else are you going to do? Arrest it? No, I don't think so.

The fine is justified, but a televised memorial is a gross waste of resources, not to mention a memorial website. They should have used their money more wisely and spent it doing something productive, like freeing tortured animals in other countries that are forced to dance and stuff like that.

I'll be sure to erect an obsidian stoned memorial, and launch a huge website next time you decided to hit a fly with a swatter because it's annoying.
__________________
Looking for a list of mods for SH4? Everything you need is here: List Of Modifications for SH4 v1.3

"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph, is for good men to do nothing."
Excalibur Bane is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-05, 01:59 AM   #14
Iceman
Ace of the Deep
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Mesa AZ, Arizona, USA
Posts: 1,253
Downloads: 5
Uploads: 0
Default

I suspect those loud azz blow horns used at football games etc would have scared the bird off too....knuckleheads.

A twist also on Skybirds "Warmonger" thread....just an intresting connection I thought lol



Matthew 10
[28] And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
[29] Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.
[30] But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
[31] Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows.
[32] Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.

Iceman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-05, 03:14 AM   #15
Hitman
Pacific Aces Dev Team
 
Hitman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Spain
Posts: 6,109
Downloads: 109
Uploads: 2


Default

Well everyone has its own opinion, and mine is that (Despite not being a fanatic wildlife protector) such a stupid thing as trying to set up a new guiness record in domino falling is not worth the life of a single sparrow. I don't know what Skybird meant when he said he felt so sad, but personally I feel very SAD to see that our human race has reach a stupidity level such as to consider a guiness record in domino falling a matter of life or death for an innocent sparrow that with no trace of harming willigness steped over it.

Some people should stop for a second and rethink a bit about their lives if they are so immersed in consumism, pleasure life and lack of moral references as to consider it justified to perform such an action. Though I agree that punishing this crminally is a bit exaggerated, as the moral pain the author should feel -if he was rational enough- should be enough. And if he is not rational enough to understand this, well, then he has already received a much more severe punishment by the nature.
__________________
One day I will return to sea ...
Hitman is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:20 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 1995- 2025 Subsim®
"Subsim" is a registered trademark, all rights reserved.