Turkey shoots down Russian aircraft.

Commander Wallace · 11-24-15, 08:30 AM

Turkey today has downed a Russian aircraft that was allegedly violating it's airspace. Turkey has said it issued 10 warnings to the aircraft thought to be a supersonic Sukhoi SU-24 attack aircraft. Turkey has said those 10 warnings were in a 5 minute span. Turkey has issued warnings before to Russian aircraft violating it's airspace and Russian officials are denying the aircraft violated Turkish airspace.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/24/middle...turkey-border/

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0TD0IR20151124

Quote : Turkey's semi-official Anadolu news agency quoted Turkish presidential sources in reporting that the Russian Su-24 was "hit within the framework of engagement rules" in Syria's Bayirbucak area, near the border with Turkey."This is a situation that unfortunately was almost inevitable at some point, because Turkey has long been accusing Russia of interfering in their airspace," Gohel said. "They've threatened them in the past. And even though economic relations between the two countries are strong -- politically, there have been tensions recently

Turkey, a member nation of NATO, is expected to meet later Tuesday with other members to discuss the incident.

Betonov · 11-24-15, 08:34 AM

The Russians do have some bad navigation when it comes to airspaces...

But when it comes to Turkey I would root for the Russians if they send airplanes trough Erdogans bedroom daily.

August · 11-24-15, 09:09 AM

Catfish · 11-24-15, 09:10 AM

Maybe throw Turkey out of the NATO. Erdoghan is supporting IS anyway, and tries to kill as many Kurdish people as possible, masking it as action against IS terrorists. We will also not forget how turkish ground forces sat at the border, looking at a kurdish village some hunderd meters away, being pillaged and razed by the IS, and doing nothing.

Also Erdoghan tries to establish his "presidential state", nothing else than a one-man dictatorship.
By all appeasement towards Erdoghan, he does nothing to stop the IS.
Now Erdoghan accusing just of all Russia to kill "innocent kurdish people" is the peak of infamy.

Schroeder · 11-24-15, 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Betonov

The Russians do have some bad navigation when it comes to airspaces...

But when it comes to Turkey I would root for the Russians if they send airplanes trough Erdogans bedroom daily.

Amen.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Catfish

Maybe throw Turkey out of the NATO. Erdoghan is supporting IS anyway, and tries to kill as many Kurdish people as possible, masking it as action against IS terrorists. We will also not forget how turkish ground forces sat at the border, looking at a kurdish village some hunderd meters away, being pillaged and razed by the IS, and doing nothing.

Also Erdoghan tries to establish his "presidential state", nothing else than a one-man dictatorship.
By all appeasement towards Erdoghan, he does nothing to stop the IS.
Now Erdoghan accusing just of all Russia to kill "innocent kurdish people" is the peak of infamy.

What I can't understand is that Turkey is still a membership candidate for the EU.

And politicians wonder why people are fed up with them.

ikalugin · 11-24-15, 09:29 AM

Statement by Putin (translated into eng).

If this Turkish data is correct, then it implies that Turkey had only a very narrow window of opportunity to engage the aircraft within it's airspace (below 30 seconds or so). Thus it is propable that even if RuASF aircraft did violate Turkish airspace it was outside of the Turkish airspace when it was hit.

Dmitry Markov · 11-24-15, 09:50 AM

Turks say that they've made 10 warnings in 5 minutes via radio but our bomber didn't react... Taking into account amount of Turkish airspace that was supposedly crossed by Su-24 which took it less than a minute - doesn't that mean that they were ready and waiting and what's more - Wanting for our plane to cross the border for a moment. This far situation looks like a bomber was hit over Syrian territory. From our point of view (I mean our official position that Su-24 didn't cross Turkish border) this mess can be described as an ambush which purpose was a vengeance for destroying IS's oil structures. Actually that is what everybody here are saying.
What looks even more weird is that Turkey announsed NATO council immediately after this shooting. Just like a boy throwing a stone into neighbour's car runs to his daddy crying - " He did it first!"
My thoughts go to our pilots - there are controversial messages about what's happened to them.

moose1am · 11-24-15, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ikalugin

Statement by Putin (translated into eng).

If this Turkish data is correct, then it implies that Turkey had only a very narrow window of opportunity to engage the aircraft within it's airspace (below 30 seconds or so). Thus it is propable that even if RuASF aircraft did violate Turkish airspace it was outside of the Turkish airspace when it was hit.

Greetings ikalugin. We here in the USA this morning were told that the people fighting in this area where the Russian Jet was shot down were not ISIS fighters but the Anti ASAD fighters being supported by the USA and others in the West.

The problem with this conflict is that the USA supports the guys in Syria who want to topple President Assad in Syria and I'm told that Russia in there to support Assad and his people.

But that Russia and the USA and France and others in the West are all wanting to destroy the ISIS fighters.

I just hope that this conflict does not lead to more fighting. it's bad enough already.

We all need to take a few steps back and take a deep breath and hope that this situation in Syria and the entire Middle East calms down.

I've got to get ready to go to work now so I'll not be able to discuss this anymore right now. I don't get into this forum very often anymore. But I thought I would pop into this forum today and see what the other side of the world was saying about this situation in Syria. I pray that it deescalates soon.

Bilge_Rat · 11-25-15, 12:55 PM

interview with the surviving crew member:

Quote:

Captain Konstantin Murakhtin, speaking on Russian television after his rescue, said his plane had not crossed into Turkish airspace and denied that there had been any audio or visual warnings from Turkey. Murakhtin added that he knew the area “like the back of my hand”. He is currently receiving medical treatment but said he wanted to stay in Syria and continue flying missions.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ive-ambassador

11-24-15, 08:30 AM	#1
Commander Wallace Navy Seal Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Under the sea in an Octupus garden in the shade Posts: 5,294 Downloads: 366 Uploads: 0	Turkey shoots down Russian aircraft. Turkey today has downed a Russian aircraft that was allegedly violating it's airspace. Turkey has said it issued 10 warnings to the aircraft thought to be a supersonic Sukhoi SU-24 attack aircraft. Turkey has said those 10 warnings were in a 5 minute span. Turkey has issued warnings before to Russian aircraft violating it's airspace and Russian officials are denying the aircraft violated Turkish airspace. http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/24/middle...turkey-border/ http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0TD0IR20151124 Quote : Turkey's semi-official Anadolu news agency quoted Turkish presidential sources in reporting that the Russian Su-24 was "hit within the framework of engagement rules" in Syria's Bayirbucak area, near the border with Turkey."This is a situation that unfortunately was almost inevitable at some point, because Turkey has long been accusing Russia of interfering in their airspace," Gohel said. "They've threatened them in the past. And even though economic relations between the two countries are strong -- politically, there have been tensions recently Turkey, a member nation of NATO, is expected to meet later Tuesday with other members to discuss the incident.

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11-24-15, 09:10 AM	#4
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,765 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Maybe throw Turkey out of the NATO. Erdoghan is supporting IS anyway, and tries to kill as many Kurdish people as possible, masking it as action against IS terrorists. We will also not forget how turkish ground forces sat at the border, looking at a kurdish village some hunderd meters away, being pillaged and razed by the IS, and doing nothing. Also Erdoghan tries to establish his "presidential state", nothing else than a one-man dictatorship. By all appeasement towards Erdoghan, he does nothing to stop the IS. Now Erdoghan accusing just of all Russia to kill "innocent kurdish people" is the peak of infamy. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

11-24-15, 09:29 AM	#6
ikalugin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 3,212 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Statement by Putin (translated into eng). If this Turkish data is correct, then it implies that Turkey had only a very narrow window of opportunity to engage the aircraft within it's airspace (below 30 seconds or so). Thus it is propable that even if RuASF aircraft did violate Turkish airspace it was outside of the Turkish airspace when it was hit. __________________ Grumpy as always.

11-24-15, 09:50 AM	#7
Dmitry Markov Officer Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Moscow, Russian Federation Posts: 236 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Turks say that they've made 10 warnings in 5 minutes via radio but our bomber didn't react... Taking into account amount of Turkish airspace that was supposedly crossed by Su-24 which took it less than a minute - doesn't that mean that they were ready and waiting and what's more - Wanting for our plane to cross the border for a moment. This far situation looks like a bomber was hit over Syrian territory. From our point of view (I mean our official position that Su-24 didn't cross Turkish border) this mess can be described as an ambush which purpose was a vengeance for destroying IS's oil structures. Actually that is what everybody here are saying. What looks even more weird is that Turkey announsed NATO council immediately after this shooting. Just like a boy throwing a stone into neighbour's car runs to his daddy crying - " He did it first!" My thoughts go to our pilots - there are controversial messages about what's happened to them. __________________ Большому кораблю - большая торпеда!

11-24-15, 08:34 AM	#2
Betonov Navy Seal Join Date: May 2009 Location: Slovenia Posts: 8,647 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	The Russians do have some bad navigation when it comes to airspaces... But when it comes to Turkey I would root for the Russians if they send airplanes trough Erdogans bedroom daily.