The Drone Papers

10-15-15, 11:27 PM

https://theintercept.com/drone-papers

A while ago I participated in several threads where the topic of drones or rather drone strikes were debated.
I strongly criticized the way the US government conducts these strikes, due to how irrelevant collateral damage is in these operations.
Now some guy leaked a ton of internal papers, another whistle blower.

I thought to share it here.

Catfish · 10-16-15, 04:58 AM

10 percent targets hit, rest collateral damage

Decision to kill by so-called "baseball cards", with short and often wrong information. I take it government and citizens would care more, if they knew exactly what is happening in their name.

I can only assume what will happen in the next years, when every bloody nation will have drones, trying to get rid of dissidents and "enemies of the(ir) state"

CptSimFreak · 10-16-15, 06:25 AM

Interpretation of those documents by journalist that took retarded pills are just hilarious. It's amazing what information was plainly sucked out of his thumb and people all over will actually believe it.

10-16-15, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by CptSimFreak

Interpretation of those documents by journalist that took retarded pills are just hilarious. It's amazing what information was plainly sucked out of his thumb and people all over will actually believe it.

Can you point out what has been interpreted the wrong way, and do you know that solely journalists interpreted the data?
Otherwise, you know... silence is golden and all that.

Saying "it's all lies!" but not providing anything might work on reddit or something. Here, not so much.
I am very interested in this topic, it fascinates me from various points of view and for different reasons, so I'm always happy to learn more about it.

Edit: You say it is funny that people "just believe it", I say it is funny (actualy sad) that people still believe in "surgical strikes", who could work if the government/those responsible would have a doctrine that respects the lives of innocents more... or at all.

This here is only about drone strike operations in Pakistan by the way:

Quote:

The Bureau of Investigative Journalism estimates the following cumulative statistics about US drone strikes (as of 1 September 2015):[6]

Total strikes: 421
Total killed: 2,476 - 3,989
Civilians killed: 423 - 965
Children killed: 172 - 207
Injured: 1,158 - 1,738
Strikes under the Bush Administration: 51
Strikes under the Obama Administration: 370
84 of the 2,379 dead have been identified as members of al Qaeda[41]

Onkel Neal · 10-16-15, 11:00 AM

Yeah, the day is coming when drones will be everywhere. Scary!

My ex-wife will probably have one on standby outside my house....

Platapus · 10-16-15, 11:16 AM

Technology causes problems and ultimately solves problems

http://petapixel.com/2015/10/15/this...h-radio-waves/

10-16-15, 11:28 AM

The thing is, drones aren't the problem, be it military or civilian.
It is who uses them and how he uses them.

Some MQ-9 Reaper is a fine piece of military technology and totally able to deliver pin point strikes with minimal effort and danger to own forces... but this all is moot when you happily apply a doctrine where civilian casualties are accepted.

In the civilian area, they spread more and more, uncontrolled - that is the problem. Here in Germania, drones are used to deliver packages/important stuff like medicine to "remote" islands (Halligen), which is a good idea if conducted by professionals with maximum possible safety rules.

Buddahaid · 10-16-15, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

The thing is, drones aren't the problem, be it military or civilian.
It is who uses them and how he uses them.

Funny that that is exactly the argument used in the gun control thread so apparently drones are the problem and should be banned.

10-16-15, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Funny that that is exactly the argument used in the gun control thread so apparently drones are the problem and should be banned.

By whom?
By me? Quote me. Or anyone here who regularly participates in the gun thread, for I haven't read that once.

Buddahaid · 10-16-15, 11:53 AM

The pro gun lobby says "guns don't kill people, people kill people" and the anti gun lobby says bull, guns are evil in themselves and must be eliminated.

Anyway that's how your phase quoted above struck me.

Betonov · 10-16-15, 11:53 AM

Quote me
Drones are bad and should be banned.
Non trained amateurs have no use and no need for drones and we really don't need some moron flying a drone into a jumbo jet engine for that ''perfect shot''
You want a nice fotograph. Use your legs and climb a hill.

Catfish · 10-16-15, 12:54 PM

Nuclear weapons don't kill people.
Poison gas does not kill people.
Such things are just peacefully lying around, never to be used..

vienna · 10-16-15, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Yeah, the day is coming when drones will be everywhere. Scary!

My ex-wife will probably have one on standby outside my house....

Good Lord! If ex's get drones, I will have to live in fear of coordinated strikes by full formations with air cover...

<O>

eddie · 10-16-15, 01:23 PM

It will be interesting to see in the future how "clean" German drone strikes will be concerning civilians.

https://www.rt.com/news/259633-eu-military-drones-deal/

Eichhörnchen · 10-16-15, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by vienna

Good Lord! If ex's get drones, I will have to live in fear of coordinated strikes by full formations with air cover...

<O>

How many ex's have you got ?

10-15-15, 11:27 PM	#1
Nippelspanner Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	The Drone Papers https://theintercept.com/drone-papers A while ago I participated in several threads where the topic of drones or rather drone strikes were debated. I strongly criticized the way the US government conducts these strikes, due to how irrelevant collateral damage is in these operations. Now some guy leaked a ton of internal papers, another whistle blower. I thought to share it here.

10-16-15, 04:58 AM	#2
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,765 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	10 percent targets hit, rest collateral damage Decision to kill by so-called "baseball cards", with short and often wrong information. I take it government and citizens would care more, if they knew exactly what is happening in their name. I can only assume what will happen in the next years, when every bloody nation will have drones, trying to get rid of dissidents and "enemies of the(ir) state" __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

10-16-15, 11:00 AM	#5
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,383 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	Yeah, the day is coming when drones will be everywhere. Scary! My ex-wife will probably have one on standby outside my house.... __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

10-16-15, 11:16 AM	#6
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,361 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Technology causes problems and ultimately solves problems http://petapixel.com/2015/10/15/this...h-radio-waves/ __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

10-16-15, 11:53 AM	#10
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,319 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	The pro gun lobby says "guns don't kill people, people kill people" and the anti gun lobby says bull, guns are evil in themselves and must be eliminated. Anyway that's how your phase quoted above struck me. __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

10-16-15, 06:25 AM	#3
CptSimFreak Frogman Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 291 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Interpretation of those documents by journalist that took retarded pills are just hilarious. It's amazing what information was plainly sucked out of his thumb and people all over will actually believe it.

10-16-15, 11:28 AM	#7
Nippelspanner Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	The thing is, drones aren't the problem, be it military or civilian. It is who uses them and how he uses them. Some MQ-9 Reaper is a fine piece of military technology and totally able to deliver pin point strikes with minimal effort and danger to own forces... but this all is moot when you happily apply a doctrine where civilian casualties are accepted. In the civilian area, they spread more and more, uncontrolled - that is the problem. Here in Germania, drones are used to deliver packages/important stuff like medicine to "remote" islands (Halligen), which is a good idea if conducted by professionals with maximum possible safety rules.

10-16-15, 11:53 AM	#11
Betonov Navy Seal Join Date: May 2009 Location: Slovenia Posts: 8,647 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	Quote me Drones are bad and should be banned. Non trained amateurs have no use and no need for drones and we really don't need some moron flying a drone into a jumbo jet engine for that ''perfect shot'' You want a nice fotograph. Use your legs and climb a hill.

10-16-15, 12:54 PM	#12
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,765 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Nuclear weapons don't kill people. Poison gas does not kill people. Such things are just peacefully lying around, never to be used.. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

10-16-15, 01:23 PM	#14
eddie Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,023 Downloads: 99 Uploads: 0	It will be interesting to see in the future how "clean" German drone strikes will be concerning civilians. https://www.rt.com/news/259633-eu-military-drones-deal/ __________________ Don't mistake my kindness for weakness. I'm kind to everyone, but when someone is unkind to me, weak is not what you are going to remember about me. Al Capone