Senate report on CIA torture techniques released

CaptainMattJ. · 12-09-14, 06:35 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/10/wo...re-report.html

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A scathing report released by the Senate Intelligence Committee on Tuesday found that the Central Intelligence Agency routinely misled the White House and Congress about the information it obtained from the detention and interrogation of terrorism suspects, and that its methods were more brutal than the C.I.A. acknowledged either to Bush administration officials or to the public.

Skybird · 12-09-14, 07:05 PM

A state within a state. NSA, CIA, and what else there is: a state within a state. They even have their own secret laws, secret courts, a secret legislation and jurisdiction, that is. They even lie to their own government, apparently.

Thank God the state is in control of everything.

Question remains which state it actually is.

"An intelligence service's major job is not espionage against en enemy, but manipulation of the own public."

Rockstar · 12-09-14, 08:00 PM

Just in case anyone would rather read the actual 525 page executive summary. http://www.intelligence.senate.gov/s...sscistudy1.pdf

download was somewhat slow, for me atleast.

Armistead · 12-09-14, 09:01 PM

Haven't heard, but anything of real torture, severe beatings, things that actually did bodily harm? Not talking about what we...er..let other nations do for us..

Oberon · 12-09-14, 09:09 PM

Wondered if somebody would bring this up.

Still, it's all in the name of keeping the bad guys out...right?

Cybermat47 · 12-09-14, 09:26 PM

I can't say I feel particularly sorry for the terrorists (I hope the CIA didn't screw up and accidently arrest innocent people...) there, but what the CIA is doing there is as sick as some of the things the terrorists do.

And anyway, didn't the British Intelligence services in WWII get reliable information that helped win the war by befriending German POWs? I'm pretty sure that would be more effective than shoving food up someone's backside.

razark · 12-10-14, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Armistead

...anything of real torture...

That really comes down to how you define "real" torture.

If medical intervention is required to revive a prisoner, I would consider that beyond the bounds of interrogation.

Catfish · 12-10-14, 03:31 AM

Direct physical beating has been and is also used, right now as we read this.

Germany allows CIA planes to cross the air space for special interrogations, to take some prisoners to e.g. Poland where US laws do not apply. But there it is being done by Americans, not Polish people.
It all cries to the heavens, but it is not exactly new though.

And it is not done by the US alone, mind you.

12-09-14, 07:05 PM	#2
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,611 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	A state within a state. NSA, CIA, and what else there is: a state within a state. They even have their own secret laws, secret courts, a secret legislation and jurisdiction, that is. They even lie to their own government, apparently. Thank God the state is in control of everything. Question remains which state it actually is. "An intelligence service's major job is not espionage against en enemy, but manipulation of the own public." __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

12-09-14, 09:01 PM	#4
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Haven't heard, but anything of real torture, severe beatings, things that actually did bodily harm? Not talking about what we...er..let other nations do for us.. __________________ You see my dog don't like people laughing. He gets the crazy idea you're laughing at him. Now if you apologize like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it.

12-09-14, 09:26 PM	#6
Cybermat47 Willing Webfooted Beast Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Australia Posts: 5,408 Downloads: 300 Uploads: 23	I can't say I feel particularly sorry for the terrorists (I hope the CIA didn't screw up and accidently arrest innocent people...) there, but what the CIA is doing there is as sick as some of the things the terrorists do. And anyway, didn't the British Intelligence services in WWII get reliable information that helped win the war by befriending German POWs? I'm pretty sure that would be more effective than shoving food up someone's backside. __________________ Historical TWoS Gameplay Guide: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=2572620 Historical FotRSU Gameplay Guide: https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho....php?p=2713394

12-09-14, 08:00 PM	#3
Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Just in case anyone would rather read the actual 525 page executive summary. http://www.intelligence.senate.gov/s...sscistudy1.pdf download was somewhat slow, for me atleast.

12-09-14, 09:09 PM	#5
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Wondered if somebody would bring this up. Still, it's all in the name of keeping the bad guys out...right?

12-10-14, 03:31 AM	#8
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,766 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Direct physical beating has been and is also used, right now as we read this. Germany allows CIA planes to cross the air space for special interrogations, to take some prisoners to e.g. Poland where US laws do not apply. But there it is being done by Americans, not Polish people. It all cries to the heavens, but it is not exactly new though. And it is not done by the US alone, mind you.