Returning to SH5

sandbag69 · 05-23-13, 02:12 PM

Hi

I havn't been near any Silent Hunter's for well over a year possibly 2 but now I have decided to try it again. To be honest the reason I gave up before was that I attacked a convoy and the ships Ai got itself into a terrible state. All ramming each other. Looked awful.
anyway
I have installed SH5 and patches and am looking for the best Mega pack.
Has the AI been improved at all with any Megapacks?

Cheers

Fifi · 05-23-13, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by sandbag69

Has the AI been improved at all with any Megapacks?
Cheers

Hi and welcome back!
Yes, one must have mod for AI is TDW IRAI 0.39 and its own patch

Everything has been redone, and AI is a lot less stupid now...but there is always room for improvment...nothing is perfect in this virtual world

maillemaker · 05-26-13, 12:32 AM

I just came back to it after a year, too, and I have to say, I just am not impressed with this game.

I've got the Steam version so I guess I can't do this Generic Patcher everyone is talking about.

I much prefer SH3. The graphics are better in SH5, but the sim is just easier to operate in 3.

Steve

TheDarkWraith · 05-26-13, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by maillemaker

I just came back to it after a year, too, and I have to say, I just am not impressed with this game.

I've got the Steam version so I guess I can't do this Generic Patcher everyone is talking about.

I much prefer SH3. The graphics are better in SH5, but the sim is just easier to operate in 3.

Steve

Whatever floats your boat but you are definitely missing out by playing such old software

Get the DVD version of SH5 from Amazon. It's like $5 now. Then you can use my Generic Patcher to fix the stock bugs the devs left behind (and add some new features they didn't think about).

Fifi · 05-26-13, 07:23 AM

Can't believe some are still hard stuck on SH3 nowadays...
I used to play it A LOT back many years ago, and really loved it hard.
So decided to give it a new shot last month with GWX3...god, it tooks 10 mn, and i uninstalled it as fast as i decided to try it again

Was shocked the way it age so old...

volodya61 · 05-26-13, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Fifi

Can't believe some are still hard stuck on SH3 nowadays...
I used to play it A LOT back many years ago, and really loved it hard.
So decided to give it a new shot last month with GWX3...god, it tooks 10 mn, and i uninstalled it as fast as i decided to try it again

Was shocked the way it age so old...

Try to say it in the SH-III section..

Sailor Steve · 05-26-13, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Fifi

Can't believe some are still hard stuck on SH3 nowadays...

I would probably feel the same, but...

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I used to play it A LOT back many years ago, and really loved it hard.
So decided to give it a new shot last month with GWX3...god, it tooks 10 mn, and i uninstalled it as fast as i decided to try it again

Was shocked the way it age so old...

So, how's your Type IX career coming? Sunk anything besides the seven merchant types available?

I would love to play nothing but SH5, but those limitations are still there after three years. Old graphics? I still play Aces Of The Deep.

troopie · 05-26-13, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Fifi

Can't believe some are still hard stuck on SH3 nowadays...
I used to play it A LOT back many years ago, and really loved it hard.
So decided to give it a new shot last month with GWX3...god, it tooks 10 mn, and i uninstalled it as fast as i decided to try it again

Was shocked the way it age so old...

I love SH3! I reackon it's the bench mark for subsims.

You need to look past the eye-candy and appreciate the interface!

Fifi · 05-26-13, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by troopie

I love SH3! I reackon it's the bench mark for subsims.

You need to look past the eye-candy and appreciate the interface!

I respect your choice, but still don't really catch it.
I just can't pass the eye candy, after trying it! If i didn't tried SH5 eye candy, ok, that would be different...
But playing SH5 fully modded with so many improvments it brings to it, i get the same fun (at least - probably even more) as i had many years back with SH3

For instance, knowing what kind of tennis game we can buy nowadays, i couldn't play again this one (even with a good interface):

JU_88 · 05-27-13, 01:09 PM

I loved Sh3, and reinstalled it the other day with GWX 3.0, but arghhh my eyes my eyes!
yes it looks dated, but on top of that 1024x768 look terrible on a 22 inch LCD i hacked it to go to 1280x900 or so, but it it not much of an improvement.
To make matters worse, I cant get it to run with AA enabled, if i force AA though the Nvidia CP the game bombs out (although doing this used to work on my older machine). and for some reason reflections are not working either...
So I just couldnt play it, it was just too darn horrible to look at. They say graphics dont matter, but im afraid they do.
Im going to give Sh5 another chance.

flag4 · 05-27-13, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Fifi

I respect your choice, but still don't really catch it.
I just can't pass the eye candy, after trying it! If i didn't tried SH5 eye candy, ok, that would be different...
But playing SH5 fully modded with so many improvments it brings to it, i get the same fun (at least - probably even more) as i had many years back with SH3

For instance, knowing what kind of tennis game we can buy nowadays, i couldn't play again this one (even with a good interface):

yeah, that's a funny one!

but for gods sake, you cant compare SH3 to that.
it shouldn't get to a slagging contest between the two Sims - one has spawned the other, with 3+4 there would no 5.
I've been with SH3 almost from the beginning and the forum gets new members all the time. the two Sims can not be compared. comparison's are odious at the best of times.
take away the graphics from 5 and what are you left with?
3 is old and the graphics are wooden but it runs like a dream and we are free to roam...
what's the point of comparing this?
5 one day will be as good as 3 - but at present it cant be simply because it has not had the time and dedication lavished upon it that 3 has received and still does - for instance, what about U-BOAT HAHD?

its ridiculous to compare the two Sims.
im glad we have them both and one day SH5 will shine like SH3 - that's what matters!

TheDarkWraith · 05-27-13, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by flag4

take away the graphics from 5 and what are you left with?

something that has WAY more potential than SH3 or SH4. That's just a fact.

And SH5 is already way better than previous titles (if it's modded and patched). That's also a fact.

U-Boat HAHD is just updating textures and maybe 3D models. The engine for displaying the graphics is still outdated and you can't get around that. Sorry but their is no comparing new technology (SH5) to old technology (SH3). You can fix up a Model T but it will never be a Ferrari.

Sailor Steve · 05-27-13, 03:28 PM

So were back to the car comparisons again. I thought we had got over that years ago. But first...

WAY more potential? I agree, but that potential still is unfulfilled. Not even close yet. As I jokingly asked earlier, where is the Type IX? Type II? Those of us who aren't gamers and only play for the history are still waiting for even a modicum of actual simulation. I do have to admit that your true celestial navigation is a wonderful thing, as are many of the other goodies dedicated modders have been able to wring out of it, but I'm still waiting for it to come close to SH3 in sheer variety of experience and historical feel.

Way better? In what respect? Graphics? Everyone already acknowledges that. What else? Yes, as you say, the graphics engine is outdated. As is constantly pointed out, graphics aren't everything, unless whiz-bang is all you're interested in. What else does it have to offer?

Back to the car comparison - yours is bad. The original Silent Service might be compared to a Model T, but comparing SH3 to SH5 is more like comparing the Ferrari 250 to the latest 458. Yes, the 2013 model is technically the better car, but the 1964 250GT is still a blast to drive and is a true classic.

So give me a Type II and let me start from dockside and sink an Arrow class tanker and maybe you'll start to have a point.

Trevally. · 05-27-13, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

So give me a Type II and let me start from dockside and sink an Arrow class tanker and maybe you'll start to have a point.

Sounds like a bumpy, rattly, noisy and poor handling ride

Where as my Type VII from my safe reinforced bunker attacking a cimm tanker

Now that is a smooth powerhouse performance ride

Sailor Steve · 05-27-13, 03:53 PM

Well, you got me there. One boat. One merchant. No choice.

05-23-13, 02:12 PM	#1
sandbag69 Medic Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 167 Downloads: 70 Uploads: 0	Returning to SH5 Hi I havn't been near any Silent Hunter's for well over a year possibly 2 but now I have decided to try it again. To be honest the reason I gave up before was that I attacked a convoy and the ships Ai got itself into a terrible state. All ramming each other. Looked awful. anyway I have installed SH5 and patches and am looking for the best Mega pack. Has the AI been improved at all with any Megapacks? Cheers

05-26-13, 07:23 AM	#5
Fifi Navy Seal Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: France Posts: 6,086 Downloads: 465 Uploads: 0	Can't believe some are still hard stuck on SH3 nowadays... I used to play it A LOT back many years ago, and really loved it hard. So decided to give it a new shot last month with GWX3...god, it tooks 10 mn, and i uninstalled it as fast as i decided to try it again Was shocked the way it age so old... __________________ https://www.mediafire.com/file/rfw2h...N_V7.8.7z/file

05-27-13, 03:28 PM	#13
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	So were back to the car comparisons again. I thought we had got over that years ago. But first... WAY more potential? I agree, but that potential still is unfulfilled. Not even close yet. As I jokingly asked earlier, where is the Type IX? Type II? Those of us who aren't gamers and only play for the history are still waiting for even a modicum of actual simulation. I do have to admit that your true celestial navigation is a wonderful thing, as are many of the other goodies dedicated modders have been able to wring out of it, but I'm still waiting for it to come close to SH3 in sheer variety of experience and historical feel. Way better? In what respect? Graphics? Everyone already acknowledges that. What else? Yes, as you say, the graphics engine is outdated. As is constantly pointed out, graphics aren't everything, unless whiz-bang is all you're interested in. What else does it have to offer? Back to the car comparison - yours is bad. The original Silent Service might be compared to a Model T, but comparing SH3 to SH5 is more like comparing the Ferrari 250 to the latest 458. Yes, the 2013 model is technically the better car, but the 1964 250GT is still a blast to drive and is a true classic. So give me a Type II and let me start from dockside and sink an Arrow class tanker and maybe you'll start to have a point. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

05-27-13, 03:53 PM	#15
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Well, you got me there. One boat. One merchant. No choice. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

05-26-13, 12:32 AM	#3
maillemaker Sea Lord Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,639 Downloads: 75 Uploads: 0	I just came back to it after a year, too, and I have to say, I just am not impressed with this game. I've got the Steam version so I guess I can't do this Generic Patcher everyone is talking about. I much prefer SH3. The graphics are better in SH5, but the sim is just easier to operate in 3. Steve

05-27-13, 01:09 PM	#10
JU_88 Silent Hunter Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: UK Posts: 3,803 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	I loved Sh3, and reinstalled it the other day with GWX 3.0, but arghhh my eyes my eyes! yes it looks dated, but on top of that 1024x768 look terrible on a 22 inch LCD i hacked it to go to 1280x900 or so, but it it not much of an improvement. To make matters worse, I cant get it to run with AA enabled, if i force AA though the Nvidia CP the game bombs out (although doing this used to work on my older machine). and for some reason reflections are not working either... So I just couldnt play it, it was just too darn horrible to look at. They say graphics dont matter, but im afraid they do. Im going to give Sh5 another chance.