Check my numbers please?

NeonsStyle · 05-17-13, 03:19 AM

Hey All,

Solution for Angle on Bow

If it's on the port side and I have a bearing of
150, and it's course is 180 then

Angle on bow = Course - Bearing = 030 deg

If on Startboard side and I have a bearing of
250 and target course of 180

Angle on bow = Bearing - Course = 070 deg

Is this correct?

Just need u guys to check it, makes sense to me,
angle on bow is angle from their bridge to my U-boat.

Thanks

Sailor Steve · 05-17-13, 09:26 AM

Angle On The Bow is a simple question of what HE can see. It is the angle he would see you at if he was looking at you. All you have to do is imagine you're him. Your heading and the bearing you see him at have nothing to do with it.

Here's a set of pictures that will help you get it right every time:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/down...o=file&id=3467

mookiemookie · 05-17-13, 09:44 AM

Imagine you're standing on the bridge of the target ship, and you're holding a flashlight straight ahead. Then you take another flashlight and aim it at your submarine. What's the angle between the two beams?

That's your AOB.

flag4 · 05-17-13, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Imagine you're standing on the bridge of the target ship, and you're holding a flashlight straight ahead. Then you take another flashlight and aim it at your submarine. What's the angle between the two beams?

That's your AOB.

...I like that!

DemonicApe · 05-17-13, 12:54 PM

ok seeing as though i have only just found out what AOB means, i think i may be able to help with the most useful trick you will probably learn about the subject, as i haven't seen it in the forums yet.

Ok so if AOB is the enemy captin's bearing of you all you have to do is simply take a back bearing.
Now i havent done this in a long time and being in the british army, instead of DEG we use MILS. but the math is the same. so stick with me here.

If the bearing of the enemy ship is from 0-180 DEGS (starboard) then take the bearing your watch officer gives you or the bearing you take manually on the map and ADD 180 deg to the bearing.... this will give you your back bearing.

If the bearing of the enemy ship is 180-360 DEG (Port) then the opposite is applied and 180 deg is subtracted from the bearing of the enemy ship from you.

Now like i said i havnt used this for months, and it was in mils not deg. but hey the maths is all the same

Good hunting folks and i hope this helps

Trevally. · 05-17-13, 01:07 PM

ingame tutorial for aob http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...1&postcount=36

Sailor Steve · 05-17-13, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DemonicApe

If the bearing of the enemy ship is from 0-180 DEGS (starboard) then take the bearing your watch officer gives you or the bearing you take manually on the map and ADD 180 deg to the bearing.... this will give you your back bearing.

If the bearing of the enemy ship is 180-360 DEG (Port) then the opposite is applied and 180 deg is subtracted from the bearing of the enemy ship from you.

That's not right. If he is bearing 30 degrees from your bow then the opposite bearing would be 210. If he's heading directly toward you it would be 210. If his course is parallel it would still be 210. If he's heading directly away it would still be 210 by your example.

AOB has nothing to do with that at all. No matter what bearing you see him at, if he's heading straight toward you the AOB is 0. If he's 90 to your port then the AOB is 90 degrees to starboard, because that's where he sees you. If he's heading directly away from you then the AOB is 180.

AOB is the angle HE sees YOU at, nothing else matters.

NeonsStyle · 05-17-13, 01:53 PM

Thankyou guys, that cleared that up nicely

Was beginning
to wonder if anyone was going to tell me lol..

Thanks all

DemonicApe · 05-17-13, 05:13 PM

Steve,

by no means am i going to disagree with you on this subject as i am still new to SH series.

so are we talking about the angle of the boat? or the angle of his boat becuase if you think,

In map reading if you have a bearing from you.... to a point (could be anywhere) you are walking to that point along the bearing but you lose track of where you are... standard procedure is to take a back bearing to get back to the point where you just came from. which says to me that that is the bearing from the point you were going to, to the point where you actually started in the first place.

Now moving this in to SH i just thought that would be logic, that WILL give you the bearing of your boat in relation to you target. now i think where the confusion has came here is i have miss understood the concept of AOB.

but my rule still stands for back bearings that was all i was trying to get across as that is what i thought AOB meant... if i have lead people to believe that my rule works when it doesnt for AOB then i am sorry.

but hey if you are orienteering anytime soon and need to do a back bearing at least you know how to do it now

haha.

gap · 05-17-13, 05:25 PM

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...548#post671548

DemonicApe · 05-17-13, 05:27 PM

yep no worries, i get it now, my rule cant apply as the direction of the point changes with the way the enemy boat is facing.

so essentially 0 deg of the target vessel isnt constant it is always moving.

PEOPLE FORGET WHAT I SAID.

finchOU · 05-17-13, 06:11 PM

AOB is for the enemy's ship...not yours. His relative bearing to you is what you need to think of.

He sees you at a relative bearing of 330.... his angle on bow to is 30 degrees left (360-330=30). He see's you at a relative bearing of 70 degrees....his AOB is 70 degrees right.

It DOES NOT MATTER WHAT angle (relative or true bearing) you have to him. Only his angle to you. It's confusing because it is constantly changing in most situations.... The ONLY time you can use your Relative bearing to get exact AOB of the enemy is if you know his True Course. Then you can know that at certain relative bearings what his AOB would be to you based off of that true course you calculated.

using Gaps example.......... Enemy ship on true course 090.... you are true course 360T. Your relative bearing TO the enemy is 330. Because you know that you are on a perpendicular true course to the enemy ship... you know that if he passes your bow (relative bearing 000, true bearing 360 (you are headed 360T) his AOB will be 90 degrees right..... you can then subtract 360 from 330 to get 30 degrees...subtract 30 from 90... and you get an AOB of 60 degrees Right on the current relative bearing of 330........340 would be 70R, 350 80R, 000 90R. Confused yet?

DemonicApe · 05-18-13, 03:17 AM

this is confusing haha. so what is the AOB used for then? what would a u boat commander back in the day have used it for and why?

Trevally. · 05-18-13, 04:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DemonicApe

this is confusing haha. so what is the AOB used for then? what would a u boat commander back in the day have used it for and why?

It is used so you can work out where a ship will be in the future (time+speed from the direction of travel of the target).
When you know this you can make sure that a torp is also going to be there

Trevally. · 05-18-13, 04:21 AM

Intercept_RAOBF.jpg

05-17-13, 03:19 AM	#1
NeonsStyle Chief Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: South Australia Posts: 326 Downloads: 195 Uploads: 0	Check my numbers please? Hey All, Solution for Angle on Bow If it's on the port side and I have a bearing of 150, and it's course is 180 then Angle on bow = Course - Bearing = 030 deg If on Startboard side and I have a bearing of 250 and target course of 180 Angle on bow = Bearing - Course = 070 deg Is this correct? Just need u guys to check it, makes sense to me, angle on bow is angle from their bridge to my U-boat. Thanks

05-17-13, 09:26 AM	#2
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Angle On The Bow is a simple question of what HE can see. It is the angle he would see you at if he was looking at you. All you have to do is imagine you're him. Your heading and the bearing you see him at have nothing to do with it. Here's a set of pictures that will help you get it right every time: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/down...o=file&id=3467 __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

05-17-13, 09:44 AM	#3
mookiemookie Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 9,404 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 1	Imagine you're standing on the bridge of the target ship, and you're holding a flashlight straight ahead. Then you take another flashlight and aim it at your submarine. What's the angle between the two beams? That's your AOB. __________________ They don’t think it be like it is, but it do. Want more U-boat Kaleun portraits for your SH3 Commander Profiles? Download the SH3 Commander Portrait Pack here.

05-17-13, 01:07 PM	#6
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05-17-13, 06:11 PM	#12
finchOU Samurai Navy Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 571 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 0	AOB is for the enemy's ship...not yours. His relative bearing to you is what you need to think of. He sees you at a relative bearing of 330.... his angle on bow to is 30 degrees left (360-330=30). He see's you at a relative bearing of 70 degrees....his AOB is 70 degrees right. It DOES NOT MATTER WHAT angle (relative or true bearing) you have to him. Only his angle to you. It's confusing because it is constantly changing in most situations.... The ONLY time you can use your Relative bearing to get exact AOB of the enemy is if you know his True Course. Then you can know that at certain relative bearings what his AOB would be to you based off of that true course you calculated. using Gaps example.......... Enemy ship on true course 090.... you are true course 360T. Your relative bearing TO the enemy is 330. Because you know that you are on a perpendicular true course to the enemy ship... you know that if he passes your bow (relative bearing 000, true bearing 360 (you are headed 360T) his AOB will be 90 degrees right..... you can then subtract 360 from 330 to get 30 degrees...subtract 30 from 90... and you get an AOB of 60 degrees Right on the current relative bearing of 330........340 would be 70R, 350 80R, 000 90R. Confused yet? __________________ Intel i7-2700K-3.50GHz, 16 GB RAM, 2 xGTX 560,2GB,SLI,2 TB HD The Wolves of Steel 1.06 The Wolves of Steel 1.06 Update 05c

05-17-13, 12:54 PM	#5
DemonicApe Watch Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 21 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	ok seeing as though i have only just found out what AOB means, i think i may be able to help with the most useful trick you will probably learn about the subject, as i haven't seen it in the forums yet. Ok so if AOB is the enemy captin's bearing of you all you have to do is simply take a back bearing. Now i havent done this in a long time and being in the british army, instead of DEG we use MILS. but the math is the same. so stick with me here. If the bearing of the enemy ship is from 0-180 DEGS (starboard) then take the bearing your watch officer gives you or the bearing you take manually on the map and ADD 180 deg to the bearing.... this will give you your back bearing. If the bearing of the enemy ship is 180-360 DEG (Port) then the opposite is applied and 180 deg is subtracted from the bearing of the enemy ship from you. Now like i said i havnt used this for months, and it was in mils not deg. but hey the maths is all the same Good hunting folks and i hope this helps

05-17-13, 01:53 PM	#8
NeonsStyle Chief Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: South Australia Posts: 326 Downloads: 195 Uploads: 0	Thankyou guys, that cleared that up nicely Was beginning to wonder if anyone was going to tell me lol.. Thanks all

05-17-13, 05:13 PM	#9
DemonicApe Watch Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 21 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	Steve, by no means am i going to disagree with you on this subject as i am still new to SH series. so are we talking about the angle of the boat? or the angle of his boat becuase if you think, In map reading if you have a bearing from you.... to a point (could be anywhere) you are walking to that point along the bearing but you lose track of where you are... standard procedure is to take a back bearing to get back to the point where you just came from. which says to me that that is the bearing from the point you were going to, to the point where you actually started in the first place. Now moving this in to SH i just thought that would be logic, that WILL give you the bearing of your boat in relation to you target. now i think where the confusion has came here is i have miss understood the concept of AOB. but my rule still stands for back bearings that was all i was trying to get across as that is what i thought AOB meant... if i have lead people to believe that my rule works when it doesnt for AOB then i am sorry. but hey if you are orienteering anytime soon and need to do a back bearing at least you know how to do it now haha.

05-17-13, 05:25 PM	#10
gap Navy Seal Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: CJ8937 Posts: 8,215 Downloads: 793 Uploads: 10	http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...548#post671548

05-17-13, 05:27 PM	#11
DemonicApe Watch Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 21 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	yep no worries, i get it now, my rule cant apply as the direction of the point changes with the way the enemy boat is facing. so essentially 0 deg of the target vessel isnt constant it is always moving. PEOPLE FORGET WHAT I SAID.

05-18-13, 03:17 AM	#13
DemonicApe Watch Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 21 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	this is confusing haha. so what is the AOB used for then? what would a u boat commander back in the day have used it for and why?

05-18-13, 04:21 AM	#15
Trevally. Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: AN1536 (Orkney) Posts: 5,451 Downloads: 166 Uploads: 28	Intercept_RAOBF.jpg __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Trevally Mods for SH5