Alternative to slaughterhouses

Skybird · 04-03-13, 05:36 AM

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-892076.html

I'm all for it. The death in factories, the terror and stress the animals has to endure before finally - sometimes painfully - being relieved from the horror, is what has turned me away from eating much meat, and had turned me even into a vegetarian for ten years. Since that decade, I eat meat again, but only rarely, and never as daily spread on bread anyway. I try to buy from a local farmer only, when finances allow.

I would ban halal and kosher slaughtering as well. Were religion claims the right for cruelty and inflicting unnecessary pain on creature, or on the weak, I immediately turn hostile.

HundertzehnGustav · 04-03-13, 07:27 AM

i do not eat meat often either, and even less since i call an animal my closest family Member.

how do i best put it...

Give them a good life, give them a short and painfree, unexpected death.
Especially cattle, who do not have a lot of "Value" and get little Respect from Humans.

"+999" to the thinking of this group of people.
Now if the cattle could also be processed on the Farm itself, by the same group of people that raises them, eliminating the industrial Complexes alltogether, i would be willing to pay double cash for that Meat.

AVGWarhawk · 04-03-13, 07:38 AM

To be honest, eating a meal comprised of vegetables make me feel less weighted down and bit less tired than a meal with a meat as part of it. I have tried to reduce my meat intake as a result.

Feuer Frei! · 04-03-13, 08:05 AM

Ethics of eating meat.
If we are talking about factory farms, then there are 2 possible reforms or solutions that can be, and in fact are constantly being sought.
The system of slaughtering animals for consumption needs to be reformed to more humane standards, and the second being promoting veganism.
Both have their downsides. Both have their ups.
If you want to bring religion into this because if we do then that then becomes religious slaughter, then i say this:
the jewish and even the muslim faith have specific requirements for the slaughter of animals.
"And ye shall be men of holy calling unto Me, and ye shall not eat any meat that is torn in the field" (Exodus XXII:30)

In Europe and the U.S. highly stressful restraint devices are still being used.

Objective evaluation is needed.

04-03-13, 08:31 AM

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Now if the cattle could also be processed on the Farm itself, by the same group of people that raises them, eliminating the industrial Complexes alltogether, i would be willing to pay double cash for that Meat.

Then you would probably run afoul of the on farm processing laws which are rather strict to prevent cross contamination.

Skybird · 04-03-13, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

If you want to bring religion into this because if we do then that then becomes religious slaughter, then i say this:
the jewish and even the muslim faith have specific requirements for the slaughter of animals.
"And ye shall be men of holy calling unto Me, and ye shall not eat any meat that is torn in the field" (Exodus XXII:30)

Until some years ago I used to think that cutting the aorta/throat in an animal would give it a quick and painfree death within seconds, due to the fast drop in blood pressure in the had and brain and thus having the animal black out quickly. However, I had to learn info on that this assumption is wrong, and that animals stay consciousness quite long and obviously suffer a great amount of agony, fear, pain and terror.

Since I learned that, I do not tolerate religious motives for these intentionally painful slaughtering methods anymore. With the irrationality of people I could live, as long as I do not need to care for them and do not get bothered with labels like halal or kosher when buying food myself. With the cruelty, I refuse to live. That's why I avoid industrially produced meat. Why should I make an exception for religious excuses here?

AVGWarhawk · 04-03-13, 10:27 AM

Skybird, take a look at Temple Grandin. A autistic woman who understood the pain and suffering at slaughter. She devised a system to help lessen what your are objecting to in the slaughter house. It does not cure your thoughts and feeling about it but you are not alone when it comes to slaughtering practices. Some have tried to make it more humane.

http://templegrandin.com/

Corral Designed by Grandin

http://www.grandin.com/design/design.html

Oberon · 04-03-13, 10:36 AM

It's a good idea and I'm all for it, I'm fully in agreement with what you say about the sheer amount of terror that an animal must feel whilst waiting 'on death row'. Certainly the amount of hormones that are released into the animals bloodstream during that time cannot make the meat that good for human consumption either, but that's a contentious matter.

The primary concern I have about the idea of the farm in this article is whether it can be done on the vast enough scale that is required for the meat market, if it cannot then it may be a stillborn idea. However, if a way can be found to make it financially viable then the likelihood of it being adopted on a wider scale increases. Again, this is not me speaking as someone who is concerned primarily on the economics of the situation rather than the welfare of the animal, but as someone who has seen many good intentioned ideas be buried under economic realism.

Either which way, I hope that this is something that does catch on but time will tell.

Skybird · 04-03-13, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Skybird, take a look at Temple Grandin. A autistic woman who understood the pain and suffering at slaughter. She devised a system to help lessen what your are objecting to in the slaughter house. It does not cure your thoughts and feeling about it but you are not alone when it comes to slaughtering practices. Some have tried to make it more humane.

http://templegrandin.com/

Corral Designed by Grandin

http://www.grandin.com/design/design.html

I know her, there was a good movie about her one year ago or so, on German TV. After that I went out and bought one book by her, second hand (most of her books are not translated into German).

However, the smells and sounds inside a death factory still must be taken note of by cattle. And not all cattle is treated like she proposes. Then there also is pigs, and chicken.

It'S better to eat less meat, drive back the production of meat that way, and kill animals in side the habitat that they used to know as their living space, unexpectedly and quick. Much like a good and responsible hunter would do in the wilderness, when being concerned of not wanting to deliver pain and a long agony to his prey.

AVGWarhawk · 04-03-13, 11:03 AM

I'm glad you were able to see and investigate this woman. She is quite interesting. I agree, the slaughter houses have a way to go in making it as humane as possible. Although she offers a better way for the animals not all take heed. I would guess in the name of profits.

WernherVonTrapp · 04-03-13, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Skybird, take a look at Temple Grandin. A autistic woman who understood the pain and suffering at slaughter. She devised a system to help lessen what your are objecting to in the slaughter house. It does not cure your thoughts and feeling about it but you are not alone when it comes to slaughtering practices. Some have tried to make it more humane.

http://templegrandin.com/

Corral Designed by Grandin

http://www.grandin.com/design/design.html

Good point AVGWarhawk. I first read and learned about Temple when both of my daughters were diagnosed as Autistic. I don't eat red meats anymore, but only because my doctors have advised against it. That does not mean I still wouldn't like to have a sizzling T-Bone once in a while, but rather I cannot for health reasons.

My personal perspective on meat eaters or vegetarians is:

The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them. Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.
-Romans 14:3-4

Karle94 · 04-03-13, 02:19 PM

Is this a good moment to tell you that I work at a fish harvesting facility? We usually process over 100 tons of fish per day.

AVGWarhawk · 04-03-13, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Karle94

Is this a good moment to tell you that I work at a fish harvesting facility? We usually process over 100 tons of fish per day.

Sure. Someone has to do it.

August · 04-03-13, 05:00 PM

It won't be long before we can grow meat in a vat, rendering this whole issue moot.

Rockstar · 04-05-13, 07:04 AM

I agree there could be a better a way to bring meats to market. Also, pretty sure Kosher or Halel procedures are based on traditions and traditions can be changed, believe it or not one could still get a kosher piece of steak.

One thing is for certain I dont eat nearly the quantity of meat like I used to years ago. But it doesnt have anything to do with slaughters houses. But because of the astonishing amount of antibiotics being pumped into our food animals. Its said to have had a hand in creating those antibiotic resistant super bugs infecting humans.

I say follow Denmarks example and start following it now. http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...e-animals.aspx

04-03-13, 05:36 AM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Alternative to slaughterhouses http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-892076.html I'm all for it. The death in factories, the terror and stress the animals has to endure before finally - sometimes painfully - being relieved from the horror, is what has turned me away from eating much meat, and had turned me even into a vegetarian for ten years. Since that decade, I eat meat again, but only rarely, and never as daily spread on bread anyway. I try to buy from a local farmer only, when finances allow. I would ban halal and kosher slaughtering as well. Were religion claims the right for cruelty and inflicting unnecessary pain on creature, or on the weak, I immediately turn hostile. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

04-03-13, 07:27 AM	#2
HundertzehnGustav Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lux, betw. G, B and F Posts: 1,898 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 0	i do not eat meat often either, and even less since i call an animal my closest family Member. how do i best put it... Give them a good life, give them a short and painfree, unexpected death. Especially cattle, who do not have a lot of "Value" and get little Respect from Humans. "+999" to the thinking of this group of people. Now if the cattle could also be processed on the Farm itself, by the same group of people that raises them, eliminating the industrial Complexes alltogether, i would be willing to pay double cash for that Meat. __________________ In conclusion: SH3 is the shizzle, yo. -Frau Kaleun Another negative about using your deck gun is that you are definately DETECTED, which has long term effects on your relationship with aircraft. -snestorm

04-03-13, 08:05 AM	#4
Feuer Frei! Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Valhalla Posts: 5,295 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 17	Ethics of eating meat. If we are talking about factory farms, then there are 2 possible reforms or solutions that can be, and in fact are constantly being sought. The system of slaughtering animals for consumption needs to be reformed to more humane standards, and the second being promoting veganism. Both have their downsides. Both have their ups. If you want to bring religion into this because if we do then that then becomes religious slaughter, then i say this: the jewish and even the muslim faith have specific requirements for the slaughter of animals. "And ye shall be men of holy calling unto Me, and ye shall not eat any meat that is torn in the field" (Exodus XXII:30) In Europe and the U.S. highly stressful restraint devices are still being used. Objective evaluation is needed. __________________ "History is the lies that the victors agree on"- Napoleon LINK TO MY SH 3 MODS

04-03-13, 02:19 PM	#12
Karle94 The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Norseland Posts: 1,355 Downloads: 253 Uploads: 0	Is this a good moment to tell you that I work at a fish harvesting facility? We usually process over 100 tons of fish per day. __________________ Find my mods here: https://www.mediafire.com/folder/lzgciodldp58p/SH4_Mods My SH4 blog here: http://karle94.blogspot.com/

04-03-13, 05:00 PM	#14
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,197 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	It won't be long before we can grow meat in a vat, rendering this whole issue moot. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

04-03-13, 07:38 AM	#3
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,253 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	To be honest, eating a meal comprised of vegetables make me feel less weighted down and bit less tired than a meal with a meat as part of it. I have tried to reduce my meat intake as a result.

04-03-13, 10:27 AM	#7
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,253 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Skybird, take a look at Temple Grandin. A autistic woman who understood the pain and suffering at slaughter. She devised a system to help lessen what your are objecting to in the slaughter house. It does not cure your thoughts and feeling about it but you are not alone when it comes to slaughtering practices. Some have tried to make it more humane. http://templegrandin.com/ Corral Designed by Grandin http://www.grandin.com/design/design.html

04-03-13, 10:36 AM	#8
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	It's a good idea and I'm all for it, I'm fully in agreement with what you say about the sheer amount of terror that an animal must feel whilst waiting 'on death row'. Certainly the amount of hormones that are released into the animals bloodstream during that time cannot make the meat that good for human consumption either, but that's a contentious matter. The primary concern I have about the idea of the farm in this article is whether it can be done on the vast enough scale that is required for the meat market, if it cannot then it may be a stillborn idea. However, if a way can be found to make it financially viable then the likelihood of it being adopted on a wider scale increases. Again, this is not me speaking as someone who is concerned primarily on the economics of the situation rather than the welfare of the animal, but as someone who has seen many good intentioned ideas be buried under economic realism. Either which way, I hope that this is something that does catch on but time will tell.

04-03-13, 11:03 AM	#10
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,253 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	I'm glad you were able to see and investigate this woman. She is quite interesting. I agree, the slaughter houses have a way to go in making it as humane as possible. Although she offers a better way for the animals not all take heed. I would guess in the name of profits.

04-05-13, 07:04 AM	#15
Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I agree there could be a better a way to bring meats to market. Also, pretty sure Kosher or Halel procedures are based on traditions and traditions can be changed, believe it or not one could still get a kosher piece of steak. One thing is for certain I dont eat nearly the quantity of meat like I used to years ago. But it doesnt have anything to do with slaughters houses. But because of the astonishing amount of antibiotics being pumped into our food animals. Its said to have had a hand in creating those antibiotic resistant super bugs infecting humans. I say follow Denmarks example and start following it now. http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...e-animals.aspx