Iran nuclear talks open in Baghdad

[Jimbuna]

Six world powers have begun a fresh talks with Iran about its controversial nuclear programme.
The talks are being held in the Iraqi capital, Baghdad, at Iran's request.
They come a day after the UN's nuclear watchdog held talks with Iran to try to gain better access to the regime's nuclear installations.
Iran's Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Salehi says any efforts by Western powers to put pressure on Iran at the talks would be "futile".

I'm not convinced there is much point in any of this especially as Russia and China are involved and being mindful of their stance on the subject in the UN.

Always best to talk but only if there is the possibility of a positive outcome.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18170651

[Skybird]

False news.

There are no talks over the Iranian program being held. I mean they may talk and produce a lot of bubbles and hot air, yes, all that folly diplomats' hobby stuff that helps them to make a shine and give the impression they personally are important and useful for something, but the program is not up for real negotiation. It never was, it never will be.

It'S more about somebody leading somebody else around by the nose. Once again. It is said nobody else is so lovely to be lead around by the Nose than Westerners, the according training is very sophisticated and much advanced in the West. If I would make it my hobby to lead somebody around by the nose, I would prefer a Westerner to any other person every time, too, they respond so easily and make it so relaxing an experience, you know. You must not even take the effort to lead them by the nose , you just need to signal them with a twinkle of the eyes and they immediately start to move around in circles all by themselves, while you just sit and enjoy the sight and must not lead them and hold their nose at all. They make the best-trained led-by-the-nosers in the world, I say!

Just another perfidious Farsi mistranslation.

[Jimbuna]

I fear you may be right.

Iran's Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Salehi says any efforts by Western powers to put pressure on Iran at the talks would be "futile".

[Skybird]

Some days ago I read reports on the centrifuge cascades for enrichment being replaced by a method using laser, it is much smaller a facility and is much easier to build and hide. It also can be deconstructed, moved to another place, and rebuilt quite easily, compared to thousands of centrifuges.

Now next is the weather. We'll be back after just one spot.

[Catfish]

Now, who sold those plants and machines to Iran ? International weapon deals like BAE and german tanks to Saudi Arabia .. as long as there's money in it ..

Shortly before the Shah "parted" ahem, Persia/Iran had been the 3rd biggest military power in the world, armed to the teeth by the west. Imagine how bad this torturer Reza Pahlewi was when they preferred a weirdo like Chomeini
Not that people learn anything from that, see weapon deals with Saudi Arabia etc. etc., but don't be astonished when they get their revolution.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Shortly before the Shah "parted" ahem, Persia/Iran had been the 3rd biggest military power in the world,

Where you got that from...? Before the war 91, the American propaganda machine claimed that it had the 4th biggest, but that held no ground when the claim was closer exmained in media, so they had to reduce the power estimations step by step before hostilities broke out. In the end they rated it as the 8th or 9th strongest military in the world.

Mind you, there were USA, USSR, China, India, and if not by number size than by potency you also have to mention Israel, Britain, France, maybe Brazil.

3rd place behind Russia and America sounds like a hopeless claim to me.

[Catfish]

Yes, i meant the 8th strongest, however this does not mean that Iran had not been heavily armed, as a bulwark against communism.
The history of Persia/Iran and how it became what it is, is quite interesting, if you lay your CIA "factbook" aside for a while

[Oberon]

Iran is another Afghanistan. Armed by us against the Commies, only to turn against us.

Thankfully, most of the weapons we gave them have broken down now and since they can't get the spares particularly easily, they use Russkie and Chinese stuff instead, which...truth be told, isn't much less potent...

[Catfish]

^ This is what i meant. One should think twice of whom to support because it may fall back on oneself on day.

The West (especially the US, but also Germany - in fact almost all) have sold arms, material and training to Iran (Shah) and Iraq (Saddam H.) back then, always supporting the (to put in bluntly) dictators and torturers of said countries suppressing their own people, never supporting democracy whatever our brainwashed media tells us. Right now we are doing the same with Saudi-Arabia, VAR etc..
I do not see much responsability, it is just shortsighted earning money by sending war machinery in the worst regions of a coming crisis, and political plays at the cost of the citizens.

The only thing i can at least understand is us supporting Israel with the Dolphin boats no matter what, but on the other hand to have experienced injustice and terror once, does not automatically allow doing the same to others. Who does not understand that should really read Viktor E. Frankl's "Nevertheless Yes to Life".

Thanks Oberon,
Catfish

[MH]

When looking at past involvement in Iran or Iraq you should view it from the perspective of cold war.
Not every thing done was smart but we know it in retrospective.
Now... when it comes to supporting SA regime i wonder what the alternative would be....I suppose something alike current Libyan or Iraqi situation with deep Iranian involvement...and long period of total chaos
So west would naturally need to support someone but i don't think it would have anything to do with freedom and liberty anyway....Saudis are not even close to Egyptians in that regard.
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Also what would be the economical coasts to world if gas flow is disrupted...
Are the brave citizens of the world ready to deal with very high gas prices and economy going nuts in the name "good doing" or simply not supporting anyone?
That would give Chinese a good opportunity to buy gas.They don't care if its Al Qaeda or anyone else...will of the people is will of the people...right?


Well you know i'm not fan of Saudis ....cant wait for some alternative and them returning to riding camels....

You people should recognize that not everything that goes in ME is western meddling...this is truly messed up region mentally and culturally so most of the part one would end up supporting something that would normally hate back home.
One way or another... but who knows maybe they will catch on someday i would like to hope.



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[Catfish]

Hello MH,
you are certainly right, a lot of what happens is made up and caused right there. However it seems we have not learned too much from the previous century when it come sto intervention - and most of our interventions are even denied today (middle America ..).

Regarding our need for gas, crude, fuel and all of those other resources, without we would not be able to e.g. have a TV remote control or cars.

So we need this "Rexeroid", "Lonolit", "Gleco", "Trekton" etc. we have been made dependent on, i know
- did you read Philip K. Dick's "Some kinds of life" ? A very good short story

Greetings,
Catfish

[MH]

Originally Posted by Catfish

So we need this "Rexeroid", "Lonolit", "Gleco", "Trekton" etc. we have been made dependent on, i know
- did you read Philip K. Dick's "Some kinds of life" ? A very good short story

Greetings,
Catfish

I haven't red the story.Will give it a try on some occasion.
The gas companies may have too much power but we have been made dependent on them by our choice and necessity just in the same way as we are dependent on Arab oil.
Lets not forget that gulf countries are the most richest never-never land places on earth...not some poor forsaken exploited people that hardly get about.
Actually in SA the fellow Muslim foreigners are the exploited low wages class that do all the dirty jobs while the Saudis are busy spending billions of oil money on some nonsense projects and high tech weapons for the prince.

I also think that it is very smart of USA to buy the Arab oil while withholding its own reserves for the future.






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