cigarettes will make you poor here

STEED · 04-23-12, 03:05 PM

http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16214173

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The cost of a packet of cigarettes in New Zealand could rise to as much as $100 dollars - around £50 - by 2020 amid moves to stamp out smoking.

The Ministry of Health wants New Zealand to be smoke free by 2025 and the suggested increase gives the first hint of the drastic measures being discussed.

Why talk about, do it, I hear the non smokers shout out.

I can not see this happening.

mookiemookie · 04-23-12, 03:56 PM

All they're going to do is create a black market. Smokers, the hardcore ones at least, will do anything to get their fix.

Diopos · 04-23-12, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

All they're going to do is create a black market. Smokers, the hardcore ones at least, will do anything to get their fix.

Yeahp, or buy them via internet

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Betonov · 04-23-12, 04:13 PM

Now all I need is a clipper and I'll buy a hold full of cigarettes in Bosnia and sell them in Australia

August · 04-23-12, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Betonov

Now all I need is a clipper and I'll buy a hold full of cigarettes in Bosnia and sell them in Australia

My thought exactly.

Reece · 04-23-12, 05:34 PM

I'm sick of governments dictating what you can and can't do with your own life, I'm an ex smoker and would never go back due to health reasons, my choice, it is up to the individual, it is there right to smoke or not, not the stinking government!!

A better idea would be to ban smoking for non smokers (if that were possible - school leavers) so they don't start but those that have done it all their lives should not be hit with ridiculous prices they can't afford, same thing is happening with alcohol and some people this is all they have in life!

IMO.

04-23-12, 05:41 PM

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Now all I need is a clipper and I'll buy a hold full of cigarettes in Bosnia and sell them in Australia

Be careful, that means navigating the Adriatic and those waters have been known to contain Italian cruise liners.

kiwi_2005 · 04-23-12, 06:24 PM

Smokes prices here at the moment is:
$14:50 - $16 for a pack of 20 filters
$31 for a pack of 30gram tobacco
$43 for a pack of 40gram tobacco
$53 for a pack of 50gram tobacco

Smokes have photos of bleeding hearts, gangrene toe etc on packets

Government next step is to make all cigarette packets plain color. Can't see what difference this will do if smokes were sold in plastic bags smokers will still buy them.

Though with the high costs we still have a high rate of smokers especially with our young starting up.

NZ is aiming for Smoke free by 2025

u crank · 04-23-12, 06:44 PM

Yeah, here in Canada we have the same graphic pics on the packages. Also store owners cannot have smokes on display. You have to ask for them. It's pretty silly actually. Government protecting you from yourself. Glad I quit thirty years ago.

There is also a thriving illegal cigarette trade going on as well.

Stealhead · 04-23-12, 10:51 PM

If you make something that a sizable portion of the population wants illegal then you merely give criminal enterprise another business opportunity.

Also in the US (or most other nations for that matter) what gives the government the right to tell people what they can or can not do with/to their bodies if someone wants to smoke let them smoke I can understand the no smoking in places like a restaurant or similar public venue but at bars such a thing is a laugh.No smoking in here but feel free to give your self liver disease and liver cancer and to get so drunk that you forget what you did the next day or perhaps you try to drive yourself home and kill yourself and others in a car crash.I wonder why alcohol is legal over many other drugs booze does more harm to society than any other drug easily.But smoking is bad and so is eating unhealthy foods of course they want to keep you from doing that too.

I think the moment that governments start pushing this crap too far is the moment that the citizens of that government need to put a bullet in its head.

Betonov · 04-24-12, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Be careful, that means navigating the Adriatic and those waters have been known to contain Italian cruise liners.

And worse, Croatian fishermen

August · 04-24-12, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Stealhead

Also in the US (or most other nations for that matter) what gives the government the right to tell people what they can or can not do with/to their bodies

Government mandated health care. The government owns your body now and it won't stop with tobacco either.

04-24-12, 09:38 AM

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Government mandated health care. The government owns your body now and it won't stop with tobacco either.

Even without government mandated healthcare governments gouge people on tobacco price, and if there wasn't any government healthcare private insurance would seriously screw smokers by loading their premiums just like they already do.
It doesn't stop with tobacco anyway it goes across a wide range of goods just like it always has so "government mandated healthcare" is a bit of a kipper.

Stealhead · 04-24-12, 02:59 PM

Well at least in the US the entire tobacco thing goes both ways in the states that grow tobacco and produce tobacco products at least at the state level they heavily lobby the government and I am sure that most reps in DC from those states are pro tobacco as well.

And the taxes that many nations/states place on tobacco is bogus in my opinion they do not stop people from buying smokes another interesting fact to consider is that a sizable number of smokers at least in developed countries are the poorer lesser educated class so are they really trying to make you more healthy or are they trying to make you rely more on the government because I am certain that there are many people that need(how many really need is anyone's guess) government aid to feed themselves and their families yet they smoke which means that they are spending the money that they earn(or get from welfare) on the high cost of smoking which means that they will not have that extra money to buy food or other goods on their own so go to daddy government who made the costs of smoking rise.I do not know personally a single person that smokes or used to smoke that was motivated to quit solely due to the cost alone.

Penguin · 04-24-12, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by kiwi_2005

Smokes prices here at the moment is:
$14:50 - $16 for a pack of 20 filters
$31 for a pack of 30gram tobacco
$43 for a pack of 40gram tobacco
$53 for a pack of 50gram tobacco

Ay caramba, that's pretty steep!

We pay about half of it in Germany (5 Euros a pack, 40g tobacco a little cheaper - rolling tobacco used to be a lot less taxed.
Yet, the amount of illegal (untaxed) cigarettes is estimated to be about 22%, it went up parallel with the taxation level.
Basic economy 101, not understood by many politicians: when you raise the price indefinitely, the revenue doesn't.

04-23-12, 03:56 PM	#2
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04-23-12, 05:34 PM	#6
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 34,688 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	I'm sick of governments dictating what you can and can't do with your own life, I'm an ex smoker and would never go back due to health reasons, my choice, it is up to the individual, it is there right to smoke or not, not the stinking government!! A better idea would be to ban smoking for non smokers (if that were possible - school leavers) so they don't start but those that have done it all their lives should not be hit with ridiculous prices they can't afford, same thing is happening with alcohol and some people this is all they have in life! IMO. __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

04-23-12, 06:24 PM	#8
kiwi_2005 Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aeoteroa Posts: 7,382 Downloads: 223 Uploads: 1	Smokes prices here at the moment is: $14:50 - $16 for a pack of 20 filters $31 for a pack of 30gram tobacco $43 for a pack of 40gram tobacco $53 for a pack of 50gram tobacco Smokes have photos of bleeding hearts, gangrene toe etc on packets Government next step is to make all cigarette packets plain color. Can't see what difference this will do if smokes were sold in plastic bags smokers will still buy them. Though with the high costs we still have a high rate of smokers especially with our young starting up. NZ is aiming for Smoke free by 2025 __________________ RIP kiwi_2005 Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others.

04-23-12, 06:44 PM	#9
u crank Old enough to know better Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Prince Edward Island Posts: 11,744 Downloads: 136 Uploads: 0	Yeah, here in Canada we have the same graphic pics on the packages. Also store owners cannot have smokes on display. You have to ask for them. It's pretty silly actually. Government protecting you from yourself. Glad I quit thirty years ago. There is also a thriving illegal cigarette trade going on as well. __________________ “Two possibilities exist: either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.” ― Arthur C. Clarke

04-23-12, 04:13 PM	#4
Betonov Navy Seal Join Date: May 2009 Location: Slovenia Posts: 8,647 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	Now all I need is a clipper and I'll buy a hold full of cigarettes in Bosnia and sell them in Australia

04-23-12, 10:51 PM	#10
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	If you make something that a sizable portion of the population wants illegal then you merely give criminal enterprise another business opportunity. Also in the US (or most other nations for that matter) what gives the government the right to tell people what they can or can not do with/to their bodies if someone wants to smoke let them smoke I can understand the no smoking in places like a restaurant or similar public venue but at bars such a thing is a laugh.No smoking in here but feel free to give your self liver disease and liver cancer and to get so drunk that you forget what you did the next day or perhaps you try to drive yourself home and kill yourself and others in a car crash.I wonder why alcohol is legal over many other drugs booze does more harm to society than any other drug easily.But smoking is bad and so is eating unhealthy foods of course they want to keep you from doing that too. I think the moment that governments start pushing this crap too far is the moment that the citizens of that government need to put a bullet in its head.

04-24-12, 02:59 PM	#14
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Well at least in the US the entire tobacco thing goes both ways in the states that grow tobacco and produce tobacco products at least at the state level they heavily lobby the government and I am sure that most reps in DC from those states are pro tobacco as well. And the taxes that many nations/states place on tobacco is bogus in my opinion they do not stop people from buying smokes another interesting fact to consider is that a sizable number of smokers at least in developed countries are the poorer lesser educated class so are they really trying to make you more healthy or are they trying to make you rely more on the government because I am certain that there are many people that need(how many really need is anyone's guess) government aid to feed themselves and their families yet they smoke which means that they are spending the money that they earn(or get from welfare) on the high cost of smoking which means that they will not have that extra money to buy food or other goods on their own so go to daddy government who made the costs of smoking rise.I do not know personally a single person that smokes or used to smoke that was motivated to quit solely due to the cost alone.