Protestor Shot Dead in Bahrain

Jimbuna · 04-21-12, 06:10 AM

As far as Mr Ecclestone is concerned...the show must go on.

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A man has been found dead with gunshot wounds in Bahrain after overnight clashes with police, activists say, a day before Sunday's F1 Grand Prix.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-17796833

04-21-12, 06:42 AM

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the show must go on.

They should have called it off months ago when Bahrain beat arrested and removed everyone from its own racing organisation who wasn't or may possibly have been or might perhaps in some time in the future be not of the correct viewpoint.
But like Eccestone says formula 1 in Bahrain has nothing to do with the countries regime or its policies

But on a stricly sporting franchise and internatnal business level......
Its nice to see the regime is refusing entry to journalists from the media oulets that bought the rights to cover the race.

Skybird · 04-21-12, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

As far as Mr Ecclestone is concerned...the show must go on.

Well, one life is not enough for an additional 30 million Ecclestone's private pockets, or am I wrong? I mean at his age he cannot work anymore and thus must put some savings aside for the future when he has become old.

STEED · 04-21-12, 06:54 AM

Mr Ecclestone is making a whole heap of cash from this.

F1 is now a corrupt sport.

Skybird · 04-21-12, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED

Mr Ecclestone is making a whole heap of cash from this.

F1 is now a corrupt sport.

It is Ecclestones private carrera toy racetrack, that simple. When was it not? I cannot stand this Giftzwerg.

STEED · 04-21-12, 07:03 AM

Time that fossil stepped down...Max stepped down so should he.

Jimbuna · 04-21-12, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED

Time that fossil stepped down...Max stepped down so should he.

I thought Max 'bent over'

stew278 · 04-21-12, 07:19 AM

I think the fact that the Baharani government insisted on going through with the race this year shows how little regard they have for the protestors or their grievances. No wonder people there want a change of government with rulers that are that conceited and out of touch.

The government there is trying to claim the F1 race with help unify the country, but clearly it is doing the exact opposite.

Still the crown prince can't have his opportunity to have the world's attention focused on their armpit of a country taken away.

No surprise Bernie didn't have the decency to cancel the race, F1's gotta make its money, right? Too bad the teams couldn't put some pressure on him to do the right thing, but they're trying to stay apolitical.

Jimbuna · 04-21-12, 07:31 AM

The race hasn't taken place yet and probably won't tomorrow if the protestors get onto the circuit this afternoon.

jumpy · 04-21-12, 07:35 AM

I would like to clarify (as a former Bahrain resident) that we are not talking about a country like Syria or iraq etc.
Bahraini citizens get free healthcare and schooling and many other things that this 'oppressive regime' hand out gratis.
That some of the majority shia population choose not to send their children to school, preferring to keep them ignorant is up to them.

Yet again when westerners view the middle east, they fail to understand that most of these countries do not want a western style democracy, and should the government be toppled (and it is not the first time that the bahrain state has endured attempted coups and civil unrest), everything will continue more or less as before in terms of our much vaunted human rights, the only difference is that perhaps the more hard-line islamic shia will be in control; leaving much of what made Bahrain a relatively secular state, with an economy and a culture worth being open to the rest of the world, will end up like, oh I don't know... look at the closest parallel - iraq, or afghanistan, both rife with sectarian infighting and corruption on a much larger scale than before.

To quote a Bahrain resident interviewed on the radio yesterday - yes, there are protesters, trying to change the country for the better, but in view of the grand prix, the timing for violent thugs to take to the streets with petrol bombs, smashing the place up, is somewhat convenient - the most publicity is to be gained from disrupting this event.

But which other ME state has reforms, both political and economic, so far reaching and in direct response to the protests?
Bahrain is a very small country and my former home for a number of years; I would not like to see it slip backward to hard-line shia islamic rule with its mobs of violent, ignorant zealots ruling the country.

I rather think that we'd have another ugly surprise were the Bahrain government and ruling family to be supplanted by something less tolerant with more basis in religious fundamentalism. Such is the reality of many Gulf States.

They should be allowed to make their own way in the world and not have us interfering and telling them how to do it - support them when they ask for it, yes. They have a hard enough job as it is keeping ties with the west with the last 20 years of unrest in the region.
They are not 'us' and never will be - time western governments started to understand this.

How many of you can say the same as someone who has lived there, or do you just get your information from our press and media sharks?

Skybird · 04-21-12, 08:44 AM

We should learn something from Iraq. Libya. Egypt. Afghanistan. Erdoghans new Turkey. In all these cases we got the opposite of what we wanted.

That'S why I am hesitent over Syria. Bahrein - we should simply bypass it and never have gone there with the F1 at all.

We should bypass the whole region, me thinks. If only there were no oil. The oil is their weapon by which to blackmail us. And our stupidity and shortsioghtedness. We had a warnign call, the oil crisis in the early 70s. Did we react, did we draw consequences? Noooo...

04-21-12, 08:58 AM

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I would like to clarify (as a former Bahrain resident) that we are not talking about a country like Syria or iraq etc.
Bahraini citizens get free healthcare and schooling and many other things that this 'oppressive regime' hand out gratis.

So are you trying to say you think the Baathists don't have a policy of free state education or healthcare?

An oppresive regime is an oppresive regime jumpy, North Korea also has what passes for free healthcare and education, it doesn't make them somehow good.

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But which other ME state has reforms, both political and economic, so far reaching and in direct response to the protests?

The "reforms" that were supposed to come from the independant commision which came as the "response" to the last protests have still not been implimented, that is a lot of what the current protests are about.

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They should be allowed to make their own way in the world and not have us interfering and telling them how to do it

So are you oposed to your governments support and supplies to this regime?
Are you equally opposed to any "friendly" intervention by the wahhibis military forces again?

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How many of you can say the same as someone who has lived there, or do you just get your information from our press and media sharks?

Was it your local knowledge that made you slip up badly on your claims?

jumpy · 04-21-12, 11:48 AM

Clearly you have lived there for longer than I, and have a much more insightful and bombastic understanding of the situation.

I know you excel at the internet fella, but sometimes reading your tripe gets awfully tiring - you ask a lot of questions with the aim of knocking others down, but rarely do you proffer an opinion of your own, based on anything other than your demand to be 'right'.

Rather than opening discussion, you tend to shut it down. Not because you are right and have proved others wrong in your impeccable reasoning, but because you are obtuse for its own sake; as a result any topic with you is often deeply frustrating, a sounding block for your own pedantry and little else.

You do this a lot here.

I know you'll disagree and probably offer counter's and all of that jazz, but I'd be wasting my time in any attempt to explain all of the minutia of experience and knowledge and things we oughtn't to explain as if everyone were fools just so as there is no absolute error in any description of thought or opinion, when you are determined to find criticism to a level that few other posters here on subsim ever bother to descend to.

It's not pointed reasoning, or clever discourse or logical thinking. It's damn annoying, and you know it is, which is why you do it.

Say what you like. You talk much, but say little and I'm fed up of seeing it.

Takeda Shingen · 04-21-12, 12:35 PM

Jumpy, it is time for me to return the favor that you did for me about a year ago. Trolls are trolls. Tribesman is one of the worst that I have seen. Yes, I am including TheThirdMan in that list. This guy just wants to hit you over the head. He cannot argue a point without arguing you. He is a foul-tempered, miserable, cruel individual. I have no idea why he is still permitted to post on these forums, as I have advocated his banning for years.

You cannot allow people like this to win. When they stop good people like you from posting, they do win. I respect you as a member. I respect you as an intelligent and kind poster. Most of all, I respect you as a good human being. My plea to you is for you to use your ignore list. I hate it when good people go away.

Skybird · 04-21-12, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Jumpy, it is time for me to return the favor that you did for me about a year ago. Trolls are trolls. Tribesman is one of the worst that I have seen. Yes, I am including TheThirdMan in that list. This guy just wants to hit you over the head. He cannot argue a point without arguing you. He is a foul-tempered, miserable, cruel individual. I have no idea why he is still permitted to post on these forums, as I have advocated his banning for years.

You cannot allow people like this to win. When they stop good people like you from posting, they do win. I respect you as a member. I respect you as an intelligent and kind poster. Most of all, I respect you as a good human being. My plea to you is for you to use your ignore list. I hate it when good people go away.

I'm with you two. I have Tribesman on the ignore list since - I don't know since how long, but since very long, obviously. Once had given him a second chance and put him off that list - just to get greeted with a barrage of personal attack on the very same day. I regretted my mistake and corrected it.

Using the ignore list I often consider an act of self-defence in the face of administration failing. At simHQ and at eSim boards I have seen guys being silenced for less.

Freedom of speech and free opinion can not only be used. They also can be abused. And I see no excuse to tolerate the latter. Tolerance can be exaggerated.

04-21-12, 06:54 AM	#4
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Mr Ecclestone is making a whole heap of cash from this. F1 is now a corrupt sport. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

04-21-12, 07:03 AM	#6
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Time that fossil stepped down...Max stepped down so should he. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

04-21-12, 07:31 AM	#9
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,473 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	The race hasn't taken place yet and probably won't tomorrow if the protestors get onto the circuit this afternoon. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

04-21-12, 07:35 AM	#10
jumpy Admiral Join Date: May 2003 Location: Midlands, UK Posts: 2,139 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	for a slightly different take. I would like to clarify (as a former Bahrain resident) that we are not talking about a country like Syria or iraq etc. Bahraini citizens get free healthcare and schooling and many other things that this 'oppressive regime' hand out gratis. That some of the majority shia population choose not to send their children to school, preferring to keep them ignorant is up to them. Yet again when westerners view the middle east, they fail to understand that most of these countries do not want a western style democracy, and should the government be toppled (and it is not the first time that the bahrain state has endured attempted coups and civil unrest), everything will continue more or less as before in terms of our much vaunted human rights, the only difference is that perhaps the more hard-line islamic shia will be in control; leaving much of what made Bahrain a relatively secular state, with an economy and a culture worth being open to the rest of the world, will end up like, oh I don't know... look at the closest parallel - iraq, or afghanistan, both rife with sectarian infighting and corruption on a much larger scale than before. To quote a Bahrain resident interviewed on the radio yesterday - yes, there are protesters, trying to change the country for the better, but in view of the grand prix, the timing for violent thugs to take to the streets with petrol bombs, smashing the place up, is somewhat convenient - the most publicity is to be gained from disrupting this event. But which other ME state has reforms, both political and economic, so far reaching and in direct response to the protests? Bahrain is a very small country and my former home for a number of years; I would not like to see it slip backward to hard-line shia islamic rule with its mobs of violent, ignorant zealots ruling the country. I rather think that we'd have another ugly surprise were the Bahrain government and ruling family to be supplanted by something less tolerant with more basis in religious fundamentalism. Such is the reality of many Gulf States. They should be allowed to make their own way in the world and not have us interfering and telling them how to do it - support them when they ask for it, yes. They have a hard enough job as it is keeping ties with the west with the last 20 years of unrest in the region. They are not 'us' and never will be - time western governments started to understand this. How many of you can say the same as someone who has lived there, or do you just get your information from our press and media sharks? __________________ when you’ve been so long in the desert, any water, no matter how brackish, looks like life

04-21-12, 08:44 AM	#11
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	We should learn something from Iraq. Libya. Egypt. Afghanistan. Erdoghans new Turkey. In all these cases we got the opposite of what we wanted. That'S why I am hesitent over Syria. Bahrein - we should simply bypass it and never have gone there with the F1 at all. We should bypass the whole region, me thinks. If only there were no oil. The oil is their weapon by which to blackmail us. And our stupidity and shortsioghtedness. We had a warnign call, the oil crisis in the early 70s. Did we react, did we draw consequences? Noooo... __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

04-21-12, 07:19 AM	#8
stew278 Loader Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Akron, OH Posts: 81 Downloads: 55 Uploads: 0	I think the fact that the Baharani government insisted on going through with the race this year shows how little regard they have for the protestors or their grievances. No wonder people there want a change of government with rulers that are that conceited and out of touch. The government there is trying to claim the F1 race with help unify the country, but clearly it is doing the exact opposite. Still the crown prince can't have his opportunity to have the world's attention focused on their armpit of a country taken away. No surprise Bernie didn't have the decency to cancel the race, F1's gotta make its money, right? Too bad the teams couldn't put some pressure on him to do the right thing, but they're trying to stay apolitical.

04-21-12, 11:48 AM	#13
jumpy Admiral Join Date: May 2003 Location: Midlands, UK Posts: 2,139 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	Should I be surprised? Time to walk away for a bit. Clearly you have lived there for longer than I, and have a much more insightful and bombastic understanding of the situation. I know you excel at the internet fella, but sometimes reading your tripe gets awfully tiring - you ask a lot of questions with the aim of knocking others down, but rarely do you proffer an opinion of your own, based on anything other than your demand to be 'right'. Rather than opening discussion, you tend to shut it down. Not because you are right and have proved others wrong in your impeccable reasoning, but because you are obtuse for its own sake; as a result any topic with you is often deeply frustrating, a sounding block for your own pedantry and little else. You do this a lot here. I know you'll disagree and probably offer counter's and all of that jazz, but I'd be wasting my time in any attempt to explain all of the minutia of experience and knowledge and things we oughtn't to explain as if everyone were fools just so as there is no absolute error in any description of thought or opinion, when you are determined to find criticism to a level that few other posters here on subsim ever bother to descend to. It's not pointed reasoning, or clever discourse or logical thinking. It's damn annoying, and you know it is, which is why you do it. Say what you like. You talk much, but say little and I'm fed up of seeing it. __________________ when you’ve been so long in the desert, any water, no matter how brackish, looks like life

04-21-12, 12:35 PM	#14
Takeda Shingen Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 8,643 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Jumpy, it is time for me to return the favor that you did for me about a year ago. Trolls are trolls. Tribesman is one of the worst that I have seen. Yes, I am including TheThirdMan in that list. This guy just wants to hit you over the head. He cannot argue a point without arguing you. He is a foul-tempered, miserable, cruel individual. I have no idea why he is still permitted to post on these forums, as I have advocated his banning for years. You cannot allow people like this to win. When they stop good people like you from posting, they do win. I respect you as a member. I respect you as an intelligent and kind poster. Most of all, I respect you as a good human being. My plea to you is for you to use your ignore list. I hate it when good people go away.