Former President of SEIU endorses CHINA's economic model.

[1480]

He gets a free trip to China, his guides are government officials. Here's a guy who espouses collective bargaining:

From another source, direct Stern quote.

I don't think it's just the pro-union forces, those 100,000 people, there were farmers yesterday in their tractors and pickup trucks. I mean, I think it's an American moment where people say, 'We understand we have to share in the pain when things are bad but we don't think we have to lose our rights, lose our unions, and have large corporations and some of the members of the Republican party act in such a destructful manner.'

Espousing how great China's economic plan is, yet they have no unions....


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...023451980.html

China does not need to use force to gain world domination, just needs a couple hundred mouthpieces like this goof.

[August]

Oh but according to some here we owe our safety and happiness to the unions. How dare you question their sincerity and their honesty!

[nikimcbee]

Okay, now my head is spinning. So the dude that wrote the article is quoting Andy Grove, Now, I'm trying to decide if Grove likes our economic model (maybe I mis-read it). So I'm looking for Grove's original article.

In the process of that search, I found this article:
Why Andy Grove is Wrong
http://www.businessweek.com/technolo...836_page_2.htm

Last, we need to provide incentives to American companies to keep research in the U.S. Grove didn't mention the huge incentives that countries like China provide to Intel and other tech companies. The lure for them isn't just cheap labor (with lax labor regulation), but also heavily subsidized infrastructure and cash subsidies. We may have to level the playing field in industries where other countries aren't playing by the rules. But we need to be smart in how we do it.
There is no doubt that the U.S. has reason to worry about its competitiveness. China, India, and many other countries have learned the secrets of America's success—its open economy and capitalist ways. They are trying very hard to become like us. Let's not become like they used to be.

I'll pay a beer of choice to the first person that posts Groves original article!

I gotta read it first hand and my research time is over. (I gotta go someplace)

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by August

Oh but according to some here we owe our safety and happiness to the unions.

You indeed owe a great deal of your workplace safety and happiness to unions and you're a deluded fool if you believe otherwise. Whatever issues you have with the day to day operations and political leanings of unions, and some of them are very valid I might add, are absolutely irrelevant to that historical fact.

And I appreciate the petty little swipe too. Classy.

Absolutely amazing how so many people are so militantly willing to give up the rights that people died for in order to secure for them. Amazing.

[1480]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

You indeed owe a great deal of your workplace safety and happiness to unions and you're a deluded fool if you believe otherwise. Whatever issues you have with the day to day operations and political leanings of unions, and some of them are very valid I might add, are absolutely irrelevant to that historical fact.

And I appreciate the petty little swipe too. Classy.

Absolutely amazing how so many people are so militantly willing to give up the rights that people died for in order to secure for them. Amazing.

The idea and theory of a union is a wonderful concept. Yet, like anything else it involves money and power......and we all know where that goes. v

Daley negotiated a 10 year contract with every union representing city workers, because he had the delusional visions of the olympics dancing in his head. Police and Fire did not. Well, when Rahm took over, a round of layoffs were enacted to show them who was in charge. The pay raises that were signed off on, suddenly dried up and furlough days (no pay) that numbered in the 20's were instituted. Especially the teachers union. He offered the raise that they were supposed to get but the x-amount of schools had to go to a longer school day. He broke the union in a sense. Illinois labor board is hearing the case that the union brought against Rahm. So both sides of the political scale are playing hardball against the unions.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by 1480

The idea and theory of a union is a wonderful concept. Yet, like anything else it involves money and power......and we all know where that goes.

You are exactly right.