Subway/Metro question

kraznyi_oktjabr · 11-30-11, 04:49 PM

This must be one of the most submarine related questions ever.

Dumb question is related to this picture (among others):

What is purpose of that door in front of the train? Is it for emergency exit or for transfer between trainsets?

For some reason Google didn't provide answer to me.

Platapus · 11-30-11, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by kraznyi_oktjabr

What is purpose of that door in front of the train? Is it for emergency exit or for transfer between trainsets?

Yes. Both.

Jimbuna · 11-30-11, 05:18 PM

Same in the UK and possibly most rail carriage systems I suspect.

ajrimmer42 · 11-30-11, 07:25 PM

yup. Some of our Overground stuff has them too, mainly 158s.

and the odd Diesel loco, like on this beasty Class 40.

Sailor Steve · 11-30-11, 07:54 PM

The cars are all identical, so it doesn't matter in what order they are coupled together. The door at each end allows egress into the next car.

Jimbuna · 11-30-11, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ajrimmer42

yup. Some of our Overground stuff has them too, mainly 158s.

and the odd Diesel loco, like on this beasty Class 40.

Crikey, those pictures bring back a few memories

Penguin · 12-01-11, 07:04 AM

Berlin also has thosse door-in-the-front trains.

This is how our subway trains look like:

This is the newest model, particulary made for Düsseldorf. In former years they sometimes connected two trains for higher capacity in the subway system.
The reason we have this solution, is that as a wannabe-fancy state capital we need special manufactured trains which are more expensive than buying existing ones.

Another reason is that those trains are tram/subway hybrids, and our streets are crowded and narrow like crap, so longer trains would make no sense.

Sailor Steve · 12-01-11, 07:13 AM

Salt Lake City doesn't have any subways, but we do have what we call a light rail system. Same idea, just above ground. Our cars have no front or rear doors, just access from the sides. Here is our latest model:

Because cities in Utah are few and far between we also have an intercity heavy train called FrontRunner.

Oberon · 12-01-11, 07:14 AM

It is true, it's used for access between carriages, although it's a no-no to do that on the tube unless you're staff. On the overground units though the corridors are linked up and you can walk through just fine.

I can go back a bit further though and show you this:

The back end of an A4 Pacific. Now, you can see a little door in that tender, and that was put there specifically so that on a long express train to the North from Kings Cross to Edinburgh, the crew could change half way without having to stop the train. The Scots crew would just pick up the train from wherever and sit in the carriage behind the engine, and then at the allotted place they would just go through the door, through the tender and take over from the London driver and fireman. As seen in the classic BTF production - The Elizabethan Express:

Sailor Steve · 12-01-11, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

it's a no-no to do that on the tube unless you're staff.

But it's so cool in spy movies!

ajrimmer42 · 12-01-11, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

As seen in the classic BTF production - The Elizabethan Express:

Bloody brilliant

And just to join in on the tram kinda theme, these are what I have to contend with in Sheffield every day. Not that I ever get the tram. Only time I ever do is when I'm going to the cinema, for some reason

other than that they're more expensive than busses and don't go anywhere I want to go

Sailor Steve · 12-01-11, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ajrimmer42

they're more expensive than busses and don't go anywhere I want to go

That's too bad. Here it's all the same system and the same price.

soopaman2 · 12-01-11, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

The cars are all identical, so it doesn't matter in what order they are coupled together. The door at each end allows egress into the next car.

That.

Allows for quick connections, without having to fumble for a specific driver car.

Here (NYC) they don't bug you for going between cars while in movement. Try to get into the engineers door though, MTA-PD can teach the NYPD a few things about police brutality.

Jimbuna · 12-01-11, 12:43 PM

You should see the trains at Beamish which is less than ten miles from where I live

http://www.beamish.org.uk/railway-station/

Oberon · 12-01-11, 01:01 PM

You have the three legged pony at Beamish

I love the Victorian and early Edwardian steam locomotives, they had an elegance about them that even the A4 Pacifics struggled to match.

11-30-11, 04:49 PM	#1
kraznyi_oktjabr Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Republiken Finland Posts: 1,803 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Subway/Metro question This must be one of the most submarine related questions ever. Dumb question is related to this picture (among others): What is purpose of that door in front of the train? Is it for emergency exit or for transfer between trainsets? For some reason Google didn't provide answer to me. __________________ You talk to God, you're religious. God talks to you, you're psychotic. - Dr. House

11-30-11, 05:18 PM	#3
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,473 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Same in the UK and possibly most rail carriage systems I suspect. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

11-30-11, 07:25 PM	#4
ajrimmer42 Royal Kinotropist Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Sheffield, UK Posts: 987 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	yup. Some of our Overground stuff has them too, mainly 158s. and the odd Diesel loco, like on this beasty Class 40. __________________ Alex Don't judge a ship by the number of it's guns, but by the skill of it's crew.

11-30-11, 07:54 PM	#5
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	The cars are all identical, so it doesn't matter in what order they are coupled together. The door at each end allows egress into the next car. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

12-01-11, 07:13 AM	#8
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Salt Lake City doesn't have any subways, but we do have what we call a light rail system. Same idea, just above ground. Our cars have no front or rear doors, just access from the sides. Here is our latest model: Because cities in Utah are few and far between we also have an intercity heavy train called FrontRunner. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

12-01-11, 07:04 AM	#7
Penguin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Rheinische Republik Posts: 3,322 Downloads: 92 Uploads: 0	Berlin also has thosse door-in-the-front trains. This is how our subway trains look like: This is the newest model, particulary made for Düsseldorf. In former years they sometimes connected two trains for higher capacity in the subway system. The reason we have this solution, is that as a wannabe-fancy state capital we need special manufactured trains which are more expensive than buying existing ones. Another reason is that those trains are tram/subway hybrids, and our streets are crowded and narrow like crap, so longer trains would make no sense.

12-01-11, 07:14 AM	#9
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	It is true, it's used for access between carriages, although it's a no-no to do that on the tube unless you're staff. On the overground units though the corridors are linked up and you can walk through just fine. I can go back a bit further though and show you this: The back end of an A4 Pacific. Now, you can see a little door in that tender, and that was put there specifically so that on a long express train to the North from Kings Cross to Edinburgh, the crew could change half way without having to stop the train. The Scots crew would just pick up the train from wherever and sit in the carriage behind the engine, and then at the allotted place they would just go through the door, through the tender and take over from the London driver and fireman. As seen in the classic BTF production - The Elizabethan Express:

12-01-11, 12:43 PM	#14
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,473 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	You should see the trains at Beamish which is less than ten miles from where I live http://www.beamish.org.uk/railway-station/ __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

12-01-11, 01:01 PM	#15
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	You have the three legged pony at Beamish I love the Victorian and early Edwardian steam locomotives, they had an elegance about them that even the A4 Pacifics struggled to match.