Mace and Vomit: The Latest in Anti-Pirate Tech

Feuer Frei! · 04-05-11, 08:16 AM

There’s no shortage of ideas on how technology can solve the Somali piracy problem.
Folks have called for zapping pirates with lasers, pounding their eardrums with sonic blasters and spotting them in advance with mini-drones.
Now two companies are offering new solutions to keep pirates at bay: blinding them with pepper spray and incapacitating them by making them hurl.
The maritime security company Shipboard Defense Systems has partnered with the makers of Mace to offer an industrial strength version of the hand-held pepper spray can for merchant vessels. The system, Rainstorm, gives boarding pirates a pressured shower of up to 300 gallons worth of tingly, piquant Mace. The chemical’s effects last for about 45 minutes and include “paralysis of the larynx,” “intense eye irritation” and an “acute burning sensation,” among others.
Another company, Maritime Security Company, LLC, is selling a somewhat similar product as part of a package of anti-pirate defenses. Maritime Security’s Triton Shield system offers ships an increasingly aggressive range of products and services beginning with a network of security cameras.
In the event pirates are able to get close enough to try and board, Triton offers a high-pressure hose system to push them off and an unnamed chemical that, when sprayed onto pirates, makes the vomit. (Triton also provides armed guards and a safe room in the event its other measures fail.)

Shipboard Defense Systems and Maritime Security’s less-than-lethal products all use technological riffs on the shipping industry’s best management practices (BMP3) to amp up anti-hijacking defenses.
The Mace shower, puke spray and high-pressure hoses operate on the same principle as BMP3’s call to use ships’ fire hoses and foam monitors in the event of a boarding attempt. It can be difficult for pirates to board a moving ship from a skiff using grappling hooks and ladders. Hosing them with something slippery, heavy, itchy or nauseating helps make the journey up that much more tricky.
But can the less-than-lethal aspects of these systems really best pirates armed with RPGs and Kalashnikovs? It’s important to remember that though pirates often outgun shippers, their arms don’t always translate into successful hijackings. The International Maritime Bureau’s 2010 report on piracy recorded 219 attacks by Somali pirates, 49 of which — less than a quarter — resulted in hijackings.
Many of the ships who get away do so with the help of nothing more sophisticated than a vigilant lookout, increased speed and the use of fire hoses.

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TorpX · 04-05-11, 02:32 PM

I fail to see any advantage to these non-lethal, politically correct methods. Low-tech small arms are more effective, cheaper and will solve the problem permanently.

Ducimus · 04-05-11, 03:33 PM

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There’s no shortage of ideas on how technology can solve the Somali piracy problem.

I got an idea.

TorpX · 04-05-11, 07:31 PM

I like your idea.

TLAM Strike · 04-05-11, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

I got an idea.

Do we really want to escalate the situation?

Ducimus · 04-05-11, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Do we really want to escalate the situation?

On the question of Pirates, there is no question about it. I would. If it were up to me, Id start mounting multiple MA2's and grease the skinny bastards, without pause, reflection, or reget. If the pirates met overwhelming and deadly force, they'll either find a new line of work, or become minced fish food. Either way the problem is solved. Every nation that ships traffic through those waters should have gotten deadly serious about it ages ago.

As for any international incidents, because the pirates are taking heavy loses........ hey, there's the old saying, "Dead men tell no tales". Kill them all, to a man, and they'll stop coming.

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Here's how you end the Pirate problem:

GoldenRivet · 04-05-11, 09:04 PM

the whole world bitches about being humane... i cant take it.

KILL ALL THEY SEND AND THEY WILL STOP SENDING THEM

jesus

TLAM Strike · 04-05-11, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

...they'll either find a new line of work...

and I hear Al Shabaab is hiring.

Ahmed remember those infidels who shot up your brother's pirate boat? Well I got something you can use to get payback with! Ever heard of SEMTEX?

Ducimus · 04-05-11, 09:29 PM

Like i said. Dead men tell no tales.

Besdies, your insinuating that everybody roll over and play dead just because they might turn to bombing? That's like saying, "I wont drive to work today because i might get in an accident". Besides, they don't pirate for ideology, they pirate for cash. My understanding is, many of those pirates are ex fisherman that are out of work. Well, fine, but this is NOT the way, and they need to be shown that.

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These guys are about ideology:

These guys are about money:

TLAM Strike · 04-05-11, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

Like i said. Dead men tell no tales.

Besdies, your insinuating that everybody roll over and play dead just because they might turn to bombing? That's like saying, "I wont drive to work today because i might get in an accident". Besides, they don't pirate for ideology, they pirate for cash. My understanding is, many of those pirates are ex fisherman that are out of work. Well, fine, but this is NOT the way, and they need to be shown that.

Not all pirates are the same...

Ducimus · 04-05-11, 10:12 PM

Doesn't matter. Of course your talking to someone who firmly believes you cannot, nor should you try, to negotiate with terrorists. That will only embolden them to continue to do the same crap because they got their way the first time.

I feel the same way with pirates. They keep at it, because they were successful the first time, and the time after that, and the time after that, etc etc. At some point you have to draw a line and say, "No further" - and the thing is, when you say that, you better mean it, and have the courage of conviction to follow through. Otherwise, nothing will change.

I also refuse to live in fear because some skinny man in Africa might become a bombing toting terrorist if his boat is shot under him. (nevermind he won't survive the 50 cal barrage i wish was used). On that note, if i had my way, every terrorist caught..... id have the buried face down, pointing away from mecca, have the grave filled with pig blood, entrails, and other bits, and then id televise it on F'ing TV. Just to make an example of what happens when you screw with us.

You know what.. Sean Connery said it best:

04-05-11, 08:16 AM	#1
Feuer Frei! Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Valhalla Posts: 5,295 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 17	Mace and Vomit: The Latest in Anti-Pirate Tech There’s no shortage of ideas on how technology can solve the Somali piracy problem. Folks have called for zapping pirates with lasers, pounding their eardrums with sonic blasters and spotting them in advance with mini-drones. Now two companies are offering new solutions to keep pirates at bay: blinding them with pepper spray and incapacitating them by making them hurl. The maritime security company Shipboard Defense Systems has partnered with the makers of Mace to offer an industrial strength version of the hand-held pepper spray can for merchant vessels. The system, Rainstorm, gives boarding pirates a pressured shower of up to 300 gallons worth of tingly, piquant Mace. The chemical’s effects last for about 45 minutes and include “paralysis of the larynx,” “intense eye irritation” and an “acute burning sensation,” among others. Another company, Maritime Security Company, LLC, is selling a somewhat similar product as part of a package of anti-pirate defenses. Maritime Security’s Triton Shield system offers ships an increasingly aggressive range of products and services beginning with a network of security cameras. In the event pirates are able to get close enough to try and board, Triton offers a high-pressure hose system to push them off and an unnamed chemical that, when sprayed onto pirates, makes the vomit. (Triton also provides armed guards and a safe room in the event its other measures fail.) Shipboard Defense Systems and Maritime Security’s less-than-lethal products all use technological riffs on the shipping industry’s best management practices (BMP3) to amp up anti-hijacking defenses. The Mace shower, puke spray and high-pressure hoses operate on the same principle as BMP3’s call to use ships’ fire hoses and foam monitors in the event of a boarding attempt. It can be difficult for pirates to board a moving ship from a skiff using grappling hooks and ladders. Hosing them with something slippery, heavy, itchy or nauseating helps make the journey up that much more tricky. But can the less-than-lethal aspects of these systems really best pirates armed with RPGs and Kalashnikovs? It’s important to remember that though pirates often outgun shippers, their arms don’t always translate into successful hijackings. The International Maritime Bureau’s 2010 report on piracy recorded 219 attacks by Somali pirates, 49 of which — less than a quarter — resulted in hijackings. Many of the ships who get away do so with the help of nothing more sophisticated than a vigilant lookout, increased speed and the use of fire hoses. SOURCE __________________ "History is the lies that the victors agree on"- Napoleon LINK TO MY SH 3 MODS

04-05-11, 09:04 PM	#7
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	the whole world bitches about being humane... i cant take it. KILL ALL THEY SEND AND THEY WILL STOP SENDING THEM jesus __________________

04-05-11, 02:32 PM	#2
TorpX Silent Hunter Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 3,975 Downloads: 153 Uploads: 11	I fail to see any advantage to these non-lethal, politically correct methods. Low-tech small arms are more effective, cheaper and will solve the problem permanently.

04-05-11, 07:31 PM	#4
TorpX Silent Hunter Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 3,975 Downloads: 153 Uploads: 11	I like your idea.

04-05-11, 09:29 PM	#9
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Like i said. Dead men tell no tales. Besdies, your insinuating that everybody roll over and play dead just because they might turn to bombing? That's like saying, "I wont drive to work today because i might get in an accident". Besides, they don't pirate for ideology, they pirate for cash. My understanding is, many of those pirates are ex fisherman that are out of work. Well, fine, but this is NOT the way, and they need to be shown that. edit: These guys are about ideology: These guys are about money:

04-05-11, 10:12 PM	#11
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Doesn't matter. Of course your talking to someone who firmly believes you cannot, nor should you try, to negotiate with terrorists. That will only embolden them to continue to do the same crap because they got their way the first time. I feel the same way with pirates. They keep at it, because they were successful the first time, and the time after that, and the time after that, etc etc. At some point you have to draw a line and say, "No further" - and the thing is, when you say that, you better mean it, and have the courage of conviction to follow through. Otherwise, nothing will change. I also refuse to live in fear because some skinny man in Africa might become a bombing toting terrorist if his boat is shot under him. (nevermind he won't survive the 50 cal barrage i wish was used). On that note, if i had my way, every terrorist caught..... id have the buried face down, pointing away from mecca, have the grave filled with pig blood, entrails, and other bits, and then id televise it on F'ing TV. Just to make an example of what happens when you screw with us. You know what.. Sean Connery said it best: