Opponents Are "Patriots" Not "Enemies"

This is Obama wide and clear. It is also why his agenda is being rejected.

Obama says

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...r_enemies.html


Boehner (next # 3 for president) responds

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...t_enemies.html

It is why democrats will lose and why Obama's presidency will be deminished....if that is possible!!!

I hope for many congressional investigations into our least known president....Barry.

[AVGWarhawk]

TTM...if the Republican take control they will need to deliver the goods. If not, in 2 years the Repubs will lose again. In all reality the Repubs are looking to undo 2 years of what Obama has done. It will take 2 years to accomplish that!

[tater]

I think this election helps Obama, actually. It will moderate him as it did Clinton. The US is a centrist country. Gridlock forces bipartisanship, which means centrism, which is why this last Congress was a such an unmitigated disaster (supermajority).

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by tater

I think this election helps Obama, actually. It will moderate him as it did Clinton. The US is a centrist country. Gridlock forces bipartisanship, which means centrism, which is why this last Congress was a such an unmitigated disaster (supermajority).

The last Congress was a disaster because of stuff like this:



The problem is that lately the GOP has taken such a turn to the hard right that their view of "centrism" is skewed. And you can forget bipartisanship - the tone is to oust any "moderate" Republicans who are viewed as frauds and pretenders. If you don't meet some ideological purity test, you're shunned.

I had a woman tell me that she believed any Republican that broke ranks with the party in a bipartisanship vote should be kicked out of the party. What an idiot.

[August]

Was an imaginary snow plowing bill really the best example you could have come up with to prove your point Mookie?

As for ousting centrist members isn't that what the Democrats have been doing lately to the Blue Dogs?

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by August

Was an imaginary snow plowing bill really the best example you could have come up with to prove your point Mookie?

It illustrates exactly how the past two years have transpired and it proves my point exactly.

As for ousting centrist members isn't that what the Democrats have been doing lately to the Blue Dogs?

Does that make it right?

[SteamWake]

The dulcid tones of Hillary Clinton...



Anyhow Barry probably thought he was in safe territory being on Univision. He found out otherwise.

Obama, in an interview with talk radio host Michael Baisden, said, "I probably should have used the word 'opponents' instead of enemies."


He was backtracking from a comment he made a week ago in an interview with Univision radio in which he sought to persuade Hispanics to vote for Democratic candidates instead of Republicans.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE69929420101101

Originally Posted by tater

I think this election helps Obama, actually. It will moderate him as it did Clinton. The US is a centrist country. Gridlock forces bipartisanship, which means centrism, which is why this last Congress was a such an unmitigated disaster (supermajority).

obama has shown he has the temperment and judgement of a spoiled 2yr old child and will only pout and stomp his feet, complain endlessly, never compromise, and blame everyone but himself.

he has shown he will never compromise or try to get along, hell even with the big losses the democrats know are coming, just a few days ago in a speech he told republicans they had to get to the back of the bus

he sure likes to play the race card a lot and makes racist comments for someone who said he is supposed to be post racial

[August]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

It illustrates exactly how the past two years have transpired and it proves my point exactly.

An imaginary story proves no point. I'll grant you that it might help illustrate a point that you are trying to make (though a real life example would be far better) but it "proves" nothing.

Does that make it right?

Of course not. But you said "The problem" like it's all the fault of those ebil republican obstructionists. If the GoP is drifting right then it's at least partially in response to the Dems drifting left as illustrated by the (real life) disowning of the Blue Dogs.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Webster

obama has shown he has the temperment and judgement of a spoiled 2yr old child and will only pout and stomp his feet, complain endlessly, never compromise, and blame everyone but himself.

Never compromise? The whole reason everyone on the left is mad at him is because of excessive concessions to the other side, in some misguided attempt at bipartisanship. Never compromise indeed.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by August

An imaginary story proves no point.

Wow. Just wow.

[Skybird]

The tea party will not be enough to get the Republicans back to power in 2 years. I see them being destructive due to the hate they add plenty of fuel to, and I suspect plenty of racism in their rows, too. The tea party is the storm troopers of the Republicans - great to maximise damage and destroy consensus and denying victory to Obama - but unable to bring up a person whom a reasonable, sane mind would possibly dare to imagine to lead a complex business like that of governing a world power. In the end, much of the rethorics of the tea party is as primitive as is the collection of sticks caveman had in his mountain hole.

So, in prinmciple Obama should be a meal ready to eat in two years, he cannot win by his own example anymore. But just damaging his reputation and sowing hate and controversy and vitriolic vibes, Palin, O'Donell and the likes are doing, is not enough to win the presidency for the Republicans. So, Obama can win in two years: by the Republicans defeating themselves when they do not put the tea party on the short line in time, and present a candidate that is acceptable to more than just the hardcore fans of Palin et. al. Which means he must be a moderate, by republican standards. And finding such a name holds the potential to rip the extremist and the moderate wing in the R-party apart.

Short while ago, Schwarzenegger predicted that Obama will be reelected in two years, right becasue of the Republicans inability to find and present an acceptable name to lead them, and to keep the tea party in check. I currently think time will show him to have assessed things correctly. The tea party is what makes the Republicans ineligibale for too many people that are swing-voters and have no loyalty-by-habit for any of the parties. That way, the tea party can become a present for the democrats, helping them to collect votes.

I have the impression that many Ameicans still think that with just some "correct" decisions being made, things will improve magically and the US will oick up the world game where it has left it short time ago, and things will be like they have been before. As long as it is not understood that this is infantile a hope and that in fact already a totally new game with new rules has begun in which the US can play a role, but in no way as dominant a role anymore as it did over the past decades, I see no chance for substantial reparis and imprivements and chnages in the American system. Of one thing I am certain: the old ways Americans - and Europeans as well!!! - have gotten used to, do not work anymore and never will work again. The longer one tries to stick to this fallacy, the worse things will become.

That is in two years. For today, what else is there to be expected than a massive defeat for the democrats. Anything else but that would be a big surprise.

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Never compromise? The whole reason everyone on the left is mad at him is because of excessive concessions to the other side, in some misguided attempt at bipartisanship. Never compromise indeed.

well then name one thing the republicans wanted to do that he has gone along with and compromised on?


the left is mad at him because he hasnt been able to FORCE all the democrats to go along with his plans to destroy america free enterprise system and install european socialist goverment already and now they see they are about to loose the power they had to ram that through against the will of the people.


obama's idea of compromise is if you go along with what i want then we will let you take some of the credit for it.

compromise is about give and take yet obama will never take ANY ideas from republicans and will never give in on getting his way on everything.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Webster

well then name one thing the republicans wanted to do that he has gone along with and compromised on?

I can name several off the top of my head: no single payer healthcare, no public option, extending Bush tax cuts for some, expansion of offshore drilling (before the BP clusterfook) and the D.C. school vouchers program.