The motivation of a strange - and alienating - president

[Skybird]

I found this to be a good read.

http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2010/09...lem_print.html

[AngusJS]

But when asked at a 2009 press conference whether he believed in this ideal, Obama said no. America, he suggested, is no more unique or exceptional than Britain or Greece or any other country.

Really? Having a realistic view of the country is a bad thing?

Remarkably, President Obama, who knows his father's history very well, has never mentioned his father's article.

What? He has never mentioned an article written 45 years ago by someone else in a different time and context? This is truly suspicious!!! What is he hiding???

He came to view America's military as an instrument of neocolonial occupation.

That's why he's extended operations in Afghanistan. Oh, wait.

Why support oil drilling off the coast of Brazil but not in America? Obama believes that the West uses a disproportionate share of the world's energy resources, so he wants neocolonial America to have less and the former colonized countries to have more.

Or he thinks it would be a good idea if more of the world's oil supply didn't come from the Gulf. Naah, that' can't be it - it isn't sinister enough.

Rejecting the socialist formula, Obama has shown no intention to nationalize the investment banks or the health sector. Rather, he seeks to decolonize these institutions. That's why Obama retains the right to refuse bailout paybacks--so that he can maintain his control.

Wow, I never took Geitner and Summers to be anti-colonialists.

For Obama, health insurance companies on their own are oppressive racketeers, but once they submitted to federal oversight he was happy to do business with them. He even promised them expanded business as a result of his law forcing every American to buy health insurance.

You mean he can do business with them after he's forced them to stop discriminating based on pre-existing conditions? And he painted the bright side of the compulsory insurance deal (necessary because health insurance companies make money off the people who don't use their insurance) for them? He's a politician, in other words?

And what about all the health care policy experts and members of Congress who supported this policy? Are they anti-colonialists too?

I'm sure policy wonks have been kicking this idea around for years before they had even heard of Obama.

It's almost as if Dinesh is an idiot who doesn't know how the government actually works.

Obama supports the Ground Zero mosque because to him 9/11 is the event that unleashed the American bogey and pushed us into Iraq and Afghanistan.

Right, that's the reason why he and everyone else who believes in religious freedom and who is against discrimination, supports Park 51. Good job, Dinesh.

Obama is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Someone will always find some sinister rationale for whatever he does.

[August]

Originally Posted by AngusJS

Right, that's the reason why he and everyone else who believes in religious freedom and who is against discrimination, supports Park 51.

Then why hasn't he given any support to the REbuilding of a Greek Orthodox church that was flattened by the falling towers? The Greeks have been stonewalled in their efforts to rebuild while the President of the USA comes out in favor of a mosque?

I guess their religious freedom isn't as important as that of the Muslims eh?

[AngusJS]

Originally Posted by August

Then why hasn't he given any support to the REbuilding of a Greek Orthodox church that was flattened by the falling towers? The Greeks have been stonewalled in their efforts to rebuild while the President of the USA comes out in favor of a mosque?

I guess their religious freedom isn't as important as that of the Muslims eh?

You're right, because the President of the United States usually intervenes in matters on the municipal level.

And yes, this grand, triumphalist mosque (or community center with Jewish and Christian prayer rooms) is different because it's hilariously enough become a national (and even international) issue.

[mookiemookie]

If you found that to be a good read, your standards are very low.

This is completely retarded and just bizarre and disjointed. It's another attempt to turn Obama into this "ooh, scary African HUSSEIN Kenyan witch doctor come to slit the throats of white babies."

If you weren't completely retarded like Mr. D'Souza, you may read Obama Sr.'s paper he mentions and think that it's a legitimate critique of the Kenyan system of land use, education and foreign investment. But If you did happen to be bug-screwing insane, you'd say something like:

Even more remarkably, there has been virtually no reporting on a document that seems directly relevant to what the junior Obama is doing in the White House,"

But, if you weren't bug-screwing insane like Mr. D'Souza, you would have found after a brief dance with teh Google that Politico had reported on this 2 years ago: http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.c...D20AC776ED4E67

"the U.S. is being ruled according to the dreams of a Luo tribesman of the 1950s...[a] philandering, inebriated African socialist."

"Fear the drunk black man, wild eyed and coming for your women and children!", right, D'Souza?

He then goes on to start pulling random events and happenings together...NASA, mosques, banks.... in some kind of mad screed, trying to grasp at disparate straws in an attempt to unravel the conspiracy, a la the pink faced nitwit Father Coughlin....err...I mean Glenn Beck.


D'Souza's an idiot.

[Skybird]

I find Obama's lack of orientation or lack of sense of realism in some areas bizarr, surreal, and worrying, in other areas it is self-contradictory. Damage is being done that way. With a political agenda by him, deriving from present-based circumstances, I cannot explain that to a satisfying degree, and if I do not want to simply accuse him to just following a policy of appeasing Muslim nations, oil suppliers and national lobby groups of the left side of the spectrum, then I am left with assuming personal, intrinsic drives or motivations basing in his personality and biography. And this is the level the article is aiming at. So I conclude that it may make sense.

At least it makes more sense than some of the emotional rant the topic already has caused again so far.

Everybody is driven by needs, drives, motivations and experiences he already made. Referring to them, behavior and priorities of a person often can be explained (though explanation and excuse are two different things, mind you). and Obama seems to have set the centre of gravity of Amrican interests more outside America's interest than any president before him, as I remember. And I question that all of that is just altruism. I think at least some of it is just foolishness and ignoring unfriendly and/or longterm facts that do not match his "vision". I also do not see that he cares for who pays for the bills he stockpiles on his desk.

[AVGWarhawk]

This is completely retarded and just bizarre and disjointed. It's another attempt to turn Obama into this "ooh, scary African HUSSEIN Kenyan witch doctor come to slit the throats of white babies."

Wow! Did you really get all of that from this article? I missed that paragraph entirely.

[August]

Originally Posted by AngusJS

You're right, because the President of the United States usually intervenes in matters on the municipal level.

Your roll eye emoticon notwithstanding he opened his mouth on one so it sets the precedent for opining on the other or it leaves him open to charges of unfairness.

And lets call it what it is, a mosque.

[August]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Wow! Did you really get all of that from this article? I missed that paragraph entirely.

That's a common Dem tactic. They believe that opposition to their grand design just has to be racist, every time.

[mookiemookie]

Even American Conservative magazine finds this article ridiculous:

...conservative pundits and writers such as D’Souza have been indulging in so much evidence-free, ideological babbling for the last two years that many of them now seem convinced that this babbling is actually extremely serious, insightful commentary.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Wow! Did you really get all of that from this article? I missed that paragraph entirely.

I believe my second quote sums it up nicely.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

I believe my second quote sums it up nicely.

This?

If you weren't completely retarded like Mr. D'Souza, you may read Obama Sr.'s paper he mentions and think that it's a legitimate critique of the Kenyan system of land use, education and foreign investment. But If you did happen to be bug-screwing insane, you'd say something like:

I believe he was tying in Obamas book entitled Dreams of my Father. Also, do you now for sure that Mr. D'Souza is in fact retarded?

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

This?

No, this: "the U.S. is being ruled according to the dreams of a Luo tribesman of the 1950s...[a] philandering, inebriated African socialist."

[Tchocky]

Oh, Dinesh D'Souza. Saw the guy speaking a couple of years ago, it was...not so impressive.

You tend to get bogged down, peering into yawning chasms of stuff like this.

In an eerie conclusion, Obama writes that "I sat at my father's grave and spoke to him through Africa's red soil." In a sense, through the earth itself, he communes with his father and receives his father's spirit. Obama takes on his father's struggle, not by recovering his body but by embracing his cause. He decides that where Obama Sr. failed, he will succeed. Obama Sr.'s hatred of the colonial system becomes Obama Jr.'s hatred; his botched attempt to set the world right defines his son's objective. Through a kind of sacramental rite at the family tomb, the father's struggle becomes the son's birthright.

Crikey.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

No, this: "the U.S. is being ruled according to the dreams of a Luo tribesman of the 1950s...[a] philandering, inebriated African socialist."

Well that is a stretch however we are a product of our upbringing. Obama spent a better part of his youth globe trotting. Certainly these travels influence who, what and why in his decision making.