Why end in 1943?

03-19-10, 08:02 PM

Apologies if this is historically accurate but why does the campaign end in 1943?
Is it paving the way for DLC?

Noren · 03-19-10, 08:14 PM

Who knows, ask ubisoft!!!! Probably a matter of time and budget.

We can only speculate, as we do in so many other areas; like bugs and the lack of uboats.

oscar19681 · 03-19-10, 08:18 PM

It is susspected (so goos the forum gossing) that the game was releases to soon to add the missing u-boats and rest of the campaign. It is thought that the rest of the campaign (and u-boats) will be added through DLC or addons. Not bad a bad (sorry stoned)idea if done right.

Safe-Keeper · 03-19-10, 08:21 PM

Maybe they're pulling a Maxis -- if they could release an incredibly shallow game and then gradually patch it up with a mountain of x-packs, why can't Ubisoft make a game where you only have one sim and three years, and then build on it, x-pack by x-pack?

First X-Pack will add lots of cool furniture and clothes for your u-boat and crew.
The second will allow you to party in the pub after reaching port.
The third will allow you to cast spells.
The fourth adds the Type II and Type IX.

Etc. etc. etc.

Nafod81 · 03-19-10, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by oscar19681

It is susspected (so goos the foruy gossing) that the game was releases to soon to add the missing u-boats and rest of the campaign. It is thought that the rest of the campaign (and u-boats) will be added through DLC or addons. Not bad a bad idea if done right.

I think we'd be lucky to see this. Depending on the pricing I'd weigh purchasing such a product. However it seems most of the Subsim community wishes to doom this product to obscurity.

03-19-10, 08:29 PM

Thanks for the replies.
Does SH4 take me from start to finish of the war?
I do enjoy SH5 but ending the war slot earlier does somehow feel incomplete even if the start was the better years, it's war, there is no better years apart from the winner at the end.

Nafod81 · 03-19-10, 08:40 PM

And playing WWII as a German....you won't win.

thruster · 03-19-10, 08:14 PM

i like to think that its cos theyve concentrated so much detail/time with the one type of boat and first period of the war, that theyre going to finish off the war with another dedicated effort...........its nearly easter, cant wait for the easter bunny!

also, for simplistic arcade style gameplay, uboats had minimal chance of just getting past biscay or even surviving a convoy attack from '44 onwards, that wont make much of a shoot em up game.

Safe-Keeper · 03-19-10, 08:15 PM

It could simply be that limiting themselves to half the campaign gives them opportunity to make the first half more detailed. Same reason there's only one u-boat to choose from. Indeed, the SH5 campaigns are far more detailed and dynamic than III and 4 ever were. I personally don't mind it... isn't a different question to me than "Why can I only play as a German" or "Why are there only Atlantic campaigns"?

I seem to be the only person in the whole world to think so, though, and some other people have even called it a bug or error, as if it was done accidentally and had to be "fixed".

But yes, if SH5 sells well we'll probably see an x-pack adding the later war years and at least one more u-boat type -- I'm guessing the Type IX.

Faamecanic · 03-20-10, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

But yes, if SH5 sells well we'll probably see an x-pack adding the later war years and at least one more u-boat type -- I'm guessing the Type IX.

^^ This^^

All so they can sell you an expansion pack later on....which Im OK with provided UBI would have release a COMPLETE game that was at leas 80% bug free.... we have neither.

CCIP · 03-20-10, 12:23 PM

I'm fine with a narrow-focus, study sim. But yeah, I'm not quite sure I can call SH5 a particularly successful study sim as yet. On the other hand the benchmark of study simulations, Falcon 4.0, was completely unplayable when it was released - and look at it now. Almost 12 years (not to mention 11 years since last official patch) and still going very strong. Community support can make all the difference.

The choice to end the war then and there is a bit odd - it doesn't completely turn me off, but as a design decision... I'm not convinced it was made why it was said to be made.

Frederf · 03-19-10, 08:15 PM

The rationales given were:

1. Late war tech gets rather complex, hard and/or time-consuming to code. Without the late war tech developments it's fruitless to let the clock run that far.

2. 'Till '43 were the "happy times" that give the player the most enjoyment (read: arcade) gameplay.

OakGroove · 03-19-10, 08:22 PM

A less known fact is the Kriegsmarine running out of morale boosting "soup" in '43. Though thinking about it, DLC seems to be a more likely explanation, as UPlay is about online distribution.

kylania · 03-19-10, 08:17 PM

DLC is probably the "real" reason, though the reason given was that since the game focuses exclusively on the Type VII boat they ended it right after the "Happy Times". After '43 it's just death and pain for us.

It supposedly allowed them to focus on all the details and make a wonderful VII sim instead of a WWII sim.

Salvadoreno · 03-20-10, 12:32 PM

Wow i cant believe so many are actually supporting the fact the UBI has intentionally left out 43-45 because they wanted to make more $$$ on an xpack....

A polished and concentrated effort on the first game???? Hmm jugding from the subsim review, many user complaints, and the endless bugs being reported... This is far from a effort from UBI to release a good 1st halve of the war...

I mean common guys... The game sounds flawed, thank god for dedicated mods that are springing up like weeds to fix this so-called disaster of a game.

In SH3 some of my most intense moments were the biscay run., the endless crash dives, and the INCREDIBLE sense of accomplishment if you actually found a convoy, successfully penetrated the screen, sunk at least ONE boat, and returned to port safely.. How on EARTH could you leave out a part of the war in a WWII SIM?!?!?? This is just mind boggling.

After reading so many complaints but also reading the upside, i was about to spend my 50 some dollars on a game that was already being fixed by mods. Then i heard it ended in 1943.... What a killer

.

No Operation Drumbeat?? No special missions to Japan?? No Milk Cows?? AND NO WOLFPACKS!?!?! Ugh this just sucks soo bad. I was so excited when i heard Sh5 was coming out, i was even prepared to buy the unfinished product. WHY must i always be dissapointed by developers who stopped giving a ****!?!?

The last game i bought and enjoyed was Company of Heroes.. Jesus even that game was bugged but it still was more polished than most games.

::rant rant:: Okay im done now.. Back to just stalking the forums and mod forum and wait for a big change. But i would like to say..

YOU MODS ARE ANGELS SENT FROM HEAVEN!!!!! THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIRELESS EFFORTS TO MAKE A TERRIBLE GAME WORTH PLAYING, AND FOR THE SELFLESS REASON OF MAKING A GOOD GAME FOR US TARDS WHO DONT KNOW HOW TO CODE!!! THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!!!

03-19-10, 08:02 PM	#1
Barso Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Why end in 1943? Apologies if this is historically accurate but why does the campaign end in 1943? Is it paving the way for DLC?

03-19-10, 08:18 PM	#3
oscar19681 Admiral Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: netherlands Posts: 2,020 Downloads: 119 Uploads: 0	It is susspected (so goos the forum gossing) that the game was releases to soon to add the missing u-boats and rest of the campaign. It is thought that the rest of the campaign (and u-boats) will be added through DLC or addons. Not bad a bad (sorry stoned)idea if done right. __________________ we live we die but death does not ends it. Jim Morrison 1943-1971 Last edited by oscar19681; 03-19-10 at 08:28 PM.

03-19-10, 08:21 PM	#4
Safe-Keeper Ocean Warrior Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Norway Posts: 3,234 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	Maybe they're pulling a Maxis -- if they could release an incredibly shallow game and then gradually patch it up with a mountain of x-packs, why can't Ubisoft make a game where you only have one sim and three years, and then build on it, x-pack by x-pack? First X-Pack will add lots of cool furniture and clothes for your u-boat and crew. The second will allow you to party in the pub after reaching port. The third will allow you to cast spells. The fourth adds the Type II and Type IX. Etc. etc. etc. __________________ First Strike Mod tester. Hardcore sub skipper.

03-19-10, 08:15 PM	#9
Safe-Keeper Ocean Warrior Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Norway Posts: 3,234 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	It could simply be that limiting themselves to half the campaign gives them opportunity to make the first half more detailed. Same reason there's only one u-boat to choose from. Indeed, the SH5 campaigns are far more detailed and dynamic than III and 4 ever were. I personally don't mind it... isn't a different question to me than "Why can I only play as a German" or "Why are there only Atlantic campaigns"? I seem to be the only person in the whole world to think so, though, and some other people have even called it a bug or error, as if it was done accidentally and had to be "fixed". But yes, if SH5 sells well we'll probably see an x-pack adding the later war years and at least one more u-boat type -- I'm guessing the Type IX. __________________ First Strike Mod tester. Hardcore sub skipper.

03-20-10, 12:23 PM	#11
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	I'm fine with a narrow-focus, study sim. But yeah, I'm not quite sure I can call SH5 a particularly successful study sim as yet. On the other hand the benchmark of study simulations, Falcon 4.0, was completely unplayable when it was released - and look at it now. Almost 12 years (not to mention 11 years since last official patch) and still going very strong. Community support can make all the difference. The choice to end the war then and there is a bit odd - it doesn't completely turn me off, but as a design decision... I'm not convinced it was made why it was said to be made. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

03-19-10, 08:14 PM	#2
Noren 中国水兵 Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 284 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Who knows, ask ubisoft!!!! Probably a matter of time and budget. We can only speculate, as we do in so many other areas; like bugs and the lack of uboats.

03-19-10, 08:29 PM	#6
Barso Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Thanks for the replies. Does SH4 take me from start to finish of the war? I do enjoy SH5 but ending the war slot earlier does somehow feel incomplete even if the start was the better years, it's war, there is no better years apart from the winner at the end.

03-19-10, 08:40 PM	#7
Nafod81 Loader Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Saint Louis MO Posts: 87 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	And playing WWII as a German....you won't win.

03-19-10, 08:14 PM	#8
thruster Electrician's Mate Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 139 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	i like to think that its cos theyve concentrated so much detail/time with the one type of boat and first period of the war, that theyre going to finish off the war with another dedicated effort...........its nearly easter, cant wait for the easter bunny! also, for simplistic arcade style gameplay, uboats had minimal chance of just getting past biscay or even surviving a convoy attack from '44 onwards, that wont make much of a shoot em up game.

03-19-10, 08:15 PM	#12
Frederf Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 665 Downloads: 79 Uploads: 1	The rationales given were: 1. Late war tech gets rather complex, hard and/or time-consuming to code. Without the late war tech developments it's fruitless to let the clock run that far. 2. 'Till '43 were the "happy times" that give the player the most enjoyment (read: arcade) gameplay.

03-19-10, 08:22 PM	#13
OakGroove 中国水兵 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 275 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	A less known fact is the Kriegsmarine running out of morale boosting "soup" in '43. Though thinking about it, DLC seems to be a more likely explanation, as UPlay is about online distribution. __________________ The idea that a company with more negotiating power over its customers will cut them a better deal is just bizarre. Mad Science spawns Evil Fiend: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkTZTzsYoZs

03-19-10, 08:17 PM	#14
kylania Silent Hunter Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,528 Downloads: 118 Uploads: 0	DLC is probably the "real" reason, though the reason given was that since the game focuses exclusively on the Type VII boat they ended it right after the "Happy Times". After '43 it's just death and pain for us. It supposedly allowed them to focus on all the details and make a wonderful VII sim instead of a WWII sim. __________________

03-20-10, 12:32 PM	#15
Salvadoreno Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 887 Downloads: 119 Uploads: 0	Wow i cant believe so many are actually supporting the fact the UBI has intentionally left out 43-45 because they wanted to make more $$$ on an xpack.... A polished and concentrated effort on the first game???? Hmm jugding from the subsim review, many user complaints, and the endless bugs being reported... This is far from a effort from UBI to release a good 1st halve of the war... I mean common guys... The game sounds flawed, thank god for dedicated mods that are springing up like weeds to fix this so-called disaster of a game. In SH3 some of my most intense moments were the biscay run., the endless crash dives, and the INCREDIBLE sense of accomplishment if you actually found a convoy, successfully penetrated the screen, sunk at least ONE boat, and returned to port safely.. How on EARTH could you leave out a part of the war in a WWII SIM?!?!?? This is just mind boggling. After reading so many complaints but also reading the upside, i was about to spend my 50 some dollars on a game that was already being fixed by mods. Then i heard it ended in 1943.... What a killer . No Operation Drumbeat?? No special missions to Japan?? No Milk Cows?? AND NO WOLFPACKS!?!?! Ugh this just sucks soo bad. I was so excited when i heard Sh5 was coming out, i was even prepared to buy the unfinished product. WHY must i always be dissapointed by developers who stopped giving a ****!?!? The last game i bought and enjoyed was Company of Heroes.. Jesus even that game was bugged but it still was more polished than most games. ::rant rant:: Okay im done now.. Back to just stalking the forums and mod forum and wait for a big change. But i would like to say.. YOU MODS ARE ANGELS SENT FROM HEAVEN!!!!! THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIRELESS EFFORTS TO MAKE A TERRIBLE GAME WORTH PLAYING, AND FOR THE SELFLESS REASON OF MAKING A GOOD GAME FOR US TARDS WHO DONT KNOW HOW TO CODE!!! THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!!!! __________________