All those not buying SH5 please move along.

[cherbert]

Can all the whiners who are not buying SH5 please leave and go back to the SH3 and SH4 forums you really are polluting the threads in here.

I bet half of you are hypocrites and will buy the game and are simply jumping on the anti-drm bandwagon.

Yes DRM sucks - but all I'm interested in at the moment is the excitement of what looks to be a an amazing leap forward in Submarine simulations and all I want to do is share that with like minded individuals who are as excited as I am. I always thought that was what subsim.com was all about.

The announced modding features virtually mean we are not a million miles from having what looks like a full SDK. Should we not be excited about this?

If you aren't buying it then move along - you don't need to be here.

Failing that can Neil create a forum called SH5 - Anti-DRM campaign. And leave the rest of us to look forward to this game in peace.

[Jaeger]

+1

very good post!

[onelifecrisis]

Originally Posted by cherbert

All those not buying SH5 please move along.

[Letum]

We'r going nowhere until things change.

How about you head off the the Ubi-forums. Might be your kinda place.

[urfisch]

Uhh...an optimist!!! NICE! Rare species...may someone go, get the net and catch him?

Originally Posted by cherbert

Can all the whiners who are not buying SH5 please leave and go back to the SH3 and SH4 forums you really are polluting the threads in here.

I bet half of you are hypocrites and will buy the game and are simply jumping on the anti-drm bandwagon.

Yes DRM sucks - but all I'm interested in at the moment is the excitement of what looks to be a an amazing leap forward in Submarine simulations and all I want to do is share that with like minded individuals who are as excited as I am. I always thought that was what subsim.com was all about.

The announced modding features virtually mean we are not a million miles from having what looks like a full SDK. Should we not be excited about this?

If you aren't buying it then move along - you don't need to be here.

Failing that can Neil create a forum called SH5 - Anti-DRM campaign. And leave the rest of us to look forward to this game in peace.

No this is a community discussion forum and we are all free to voice our concerns. If I want to be censored I will join the Official Ubisoft Silent Hunter Forum

[Jaeger]

you guys forget that ubi isnt selling the game to subsim only. the casual gamer is the first target for earning money, and the casual gamer isnt interested in drm in or not. so, there is no need to complain about ubi, most of the players will like it, though drm is in.

conclusion: please stop dashing the forum with your complains. take one thread for this and stop changing each thread to a drm discussion. you are against it, most people arent.

[TDK1044]

Originally Posted by Jaeger

you guys forget that ubi isnt selling the game to subsim only. the casual gamer is the first target for earning money, and the casual gamer isnt interested in drm in or not. so, there is no need to complain about ubi, most of the players will like it, though drm is in.

conclusion: please stop dashing the forum with your complains. take one thread for this and stop changing each thread to a drm discussion. you are against it, most people arent.

We'll see how happy the casual gamer is when the Ubisoft servers consistently boot him off, and every time he tries to reconnect he can't.

[danlisa]

Originally Posted by Jaeger

you guys forget that ubi isnt selling the game to subsim only. the casual gamer is the first target for earning money, and the casual gamer isnt interested in drm in or not. so, there is no need to complain about ubi, most of the players will like it, though drm is in.

conclusion: please stop dashing the forum with your complains. take one thread for this and stop changing each thread to a drm discussion. you are against it, most people arent.

How about no!

This is a discussion board on Subsim for Subsim members and currently 55% of those members are waiting for the DRM to be removed before buying it.

Consequently, only 17% of Subsim members state that the DRM does not bother them.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but one thing that is not tolerated is forceful imposing of those opinions. To you and the OP, you can have your own thoughts on the majority of Subsim members but you can't tell them to Shut Up and Get out.

[sabretwo]

Originally Posted by Jaeger

you are against it, most people arent.

Where do you get "most" from?

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=160783

[Jaeger]

Originally Posted by Kefru

No this is a community discussion forum and we are all free to voice our concerns. If I want to be censored I will join the Official Ubisoft Silent Hunter Forum

you dont need to buy it! ubi can do with their products what ever they want to do. when they do it wrong, they wont sell lots of copies. when they do it right, they will sell lots of copies. and to me it looks like they will sell lots of copies atm. the whole "casual gamer group" isnt interested in drm in or not. means: subsimmers are in the minority group. they can try to convince people not to buy it because of drm. but if the majority wouldnt become convinced, sh5 will be as it is promoted atm.

but what you are doing is not to explain the probs of drm, you are dashing the whole forum with your complains against ubi! remember: the bad guy is not ubi, it is the majority who causes ubis decissions!
your understanding of democracy is wrong here. and nobody will censor here. but perhaps, the majority dont want to read the same sentence in each thread... they want to read a discussion about drm, about game featrues and so on, nothing else. if you want to convince the others, please become factual and dont blame ubi. they are the wrong target here (they knwo the majority, you guys dont) dont think, the subsimmers here are the exclusive buyers.

[Jaeger]

Originally Posted by sabretwo

Where do you get "most" from?

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=160783

i know, the sh titles selled 1,5 mios of times. i dont think these are all "realism fanatics" like we are. most of them (and these "most" dictate the targest of ubi!) are casual gamers...

[Jaeger]

Originally Posted by TDK1044

We'll see how happy the casual gamer is when the Ubisoft servers consistently boot him off, and every time he tries to reconnect he can't.

dont confound online play and drm. drm only means, they will save your data on data servers. like cloud computing. office 2007 uses it, each email account is in the internet etc. cloud computing (means to save your data on internet servers) is savier than saving on your harddrive, which will be killed 2 times a year. cloud computing is the future, google has developed a whole system, which runs your software from internet. no hard disk needed anymore. and remember: they only get your ip, not your name! they can do market research (that is why they are doing this, piracy is an alibi here). remember google: they know everything about you!

drm brings one disadvantage: ubi knwos, when you are playing! but more good points: your data is save (data servers never are down, they have security servers (remember your emailaccount, when was it down last time?) and second: drm gives the possibility to update your game and to have online rankings. this is a main point the casual gamer is looking for!

And all the rest who found its implementation to SH5 applausable by UBI..

[Jaeger]

Originally Posted by zulus

And all the rest who found its implementation to SH5 applausable by UBI..

this is a good example of what i was talking about: please become factual and dont dash each thread with these, non factual postings. this thread is about banishing the bitchers, not about drm itself, ok?