Bismarck, Yamato or Arizona

12-22-07, 08:54 PM

Wich of this incredible battleships you think it's the best, the bismarck was the best Ship in the kriegsmarine, the Yamato was the best ship of the japan imperial navy, and everyone knows the Arizona, the lost one in pearl harbor. But which of these is the most incredible battleship of the WWII.

Bismarck

Yamato

USS Arizona

Torplexed · 12-22-07, 09:05 PM

Hmm. Best WW2 battleship ever. This one has been argued many times.:hmm: Combined Fleet's website did a comprehensive arguement on this one once....

http://www.combinedfleet.com/baddest.htm

These three warships do summarize the fall of the battleship from grace well. All were victims of airpower. Maybe Bismarck to a lesser extent, but they still sealed her fate.

CaptainNemo12 · 12-22-07, 09:05 PM

What happened to the Iowa class?:hmm:

Torplexed · 12-22-07, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainNemo12

What happened to the Iowa class?:hmm:

You can always vote 'other'.

kenijaru · 12-22-07, 09:14 PM

Bismarck, she's sexy and she's got one hell of a story. (or should I say "he" like Lindemann did?)

PavelKirilovich · 12-22-07, 09:31 PM

Bismarck. Technologically she is superior in all aspects to the IJN Yamato and USN Arizona. One exception: Her RADAR equipment is inferior to the Arizona's (assuming Arizona would have been refit with updated technology). Bismarck's armour plate is superior to American Class "A" plate by a rather significant amount and her gunnery is superlative. As a battleship, the KM Bismarck is the terror of the seas.

By the by... why no Royal Navy option? RN had some pretty fierce battlewagons armoured with some very good ("CA," cemented armour) plate, even superior to what Bismarck was protected by.

K-9 · 12-22-07, 09:32 PM

The Arizona was a sister to the USS Texas, Both were built for WWI and were small enough to survive the "Washington Treaty" Limiting battleship size and production. Had the Arizona not been sunk at pearl harbor it would have likly been scrapped in 43 to build something else.

Name the only 3 battle in which Battle ships enguaged each other as they were ment too.

Torplexed · 12-22-07, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by K-9

Name the only 3 battle in which Battle ships enguaged each other as they were ment too.

2nd battle of Guadalacanal, Suriago Strait, the Bismarck vs Hood and Prince of Wales and her finale with KGV and the Rodney. You also could probably make an arguement for the 1943 North Cape battle. 'Battlecruiser' Scharnhorst was taken unawares and pounded by the HMS Duke of York in the frigid waters north of Norway.

kiwi_2005 · 12-23-07, 12:18 AM

Yamato for me, Bismark and Arizona come an equal 2nd.

Has anyone seen that CG documentary from HBO on the fate of the Yamato. Brilliant how they did it I watched it on Stage6 awhile back. A must see.

BulSoldier · 12-23-07, 02:45 AM

IJN Yamato has the bigest guns ever but it showed the key weakness to every battleship(funny all of these BB had been sunk or damaged criticaly by airplane).

May be the bismark would win here simply because she had short but glamorous carrier.

K-9 · 12-23-07, 03:12 AM

Ok First time the BBs met in battle was during the Chrimean war. The russians had a bunch of mixed gun dreadnaughts, the Japs had the more modern big gun only BBs, the Japs mopped the Ruskies butts.

2nd Battle of Jutland WWI. The Germans, though vastly outnumbered and outgunned, managed to out manuver the British battle fleet, scoring some very serious hits. The Brits had not armored the decks of thier BB's and as a result suffered a couple of very serious hits. The Germans however would never sortie thier fleet again for the entire war and thier ships would later be scuttled in Scapa Flow after the war.

Final time was Seriguia Straight. This was really the only time in wich BBs of similar size and class met in a battle that had meaning, and outcome. The US Admiral managed to cross the T against the Japs, bringing all of the US guns to bear, and as a result inflicted heavy damage and turned the Jap fleet.

From 1890-1943 World navies consider the BBs the ultimate superweapon, even when faced with OVERWHELMING evidence that it was unlikely that the BBs would ever be used for thier intended purpose, and that they were vunerable to both plunging fire from BBs as well as smaller ships with large calibre guns, and Air attack. The Washington Treaty that limited the Size and construction of BBs prior to WWII was an attempt to stop an arms race between the US and Britian. It has been said that the Washington Treatie may have adversly affected both the US, and British Navies at the start of WWII, but it also likely prevented a war between the US and Briton in 1930.

I know you didnt ask, but thought you might be intrested. As far as my favorite BB. I would go with the Fairy Swordfish.

TarJak · 12-23-07, 05:02 AM

Bismark for threat, Yamoto for looks, would have gone one of the Queen Elizabeth class rather than the Arizona for mine.

Mush Martin · 12-23-07, 05:06 AM

on this we disagree Tarjak

imho bismarks greatest strength was "spin"

measured against her contemporaries she was not
as capable a ship.

far and away the Best overall BB in WWII and history
is the USN Iowa Class.

bismarks rep far outwieghed her combat power.
she wasnt the most powerful battleship in the world
at the time she sailed. She was sold as that to the brits by
churchill who overemphasized her threat as a naval
unit to put priority on her destruction as a commerce
raider.
but in direct comparison she doesnt stand up.
M

TarJak · 12-23-07, 05:20 AM

Mush, I said threat not strength. In this I was taking into account her "rep" which was a far greater part of her power than most of her other attributes.

No other ship was as hunted, except maybe Tirpitz, but she was never really used to her full potential either.

I agree the Iowa class was probably the most powerfull to sail.

nikimcbee · 12-23-07, 06:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Torplexed

Hmm. Best WW2 battleship ever. This one has been argued many times.:hmm: Combined Fleet's website did a comprehensive arguement on this one once....

http://www.combinedfleet.com/baddest.htm

These three warships do summarize the fall of the battleship from grace well. All were victims of airpower. Maybe Bismarck to a lesser extent, but they still sealed her fate.

AAHH you beat me to the combinedfleet post. That's a great comparison. The Arizona wouldn't last 5 seconds against the Yamato or Bismarck. An Iowa class though...:hmm: I think that would kick ass.

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12-22-07, 08:54 PM	#1
Capitan_Viejo Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Bismarck, Yamato or Arizona Wich of this incredible battleships you think it's the best, the bismarck was the best Ship in the kriegsmarine, the Yamato was the best ship of the japan imperial navy, and everyone knows the Arizona, the lost one in pearl harbor. But which of these is the most incredible battleship of the WWII. Bismarck Yamato USS Arizona

12-22-07, 09:05 PM	#2
Torplexed Let's Sink Sumptin' ! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 5,823 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Hmm. Best WW2 battleship ever. This one has been argued many times.:hmm: Combined Fleet's website did a comprehensive arguement on this one once.... http://www.combinedfleet.com/baddest.htm These three warships do summarize the fall of the battleship from grace well. All were victims of airpower. Maybe Bismarck to a lesser extent, but they still sealed her fate. __________________ --Mobilis in Mobili--

12-22-07, 09:31 PM	#6
PavelKirilovich Machinist's Mate Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Canadian Coast Posts: 123 Downloads: 28 Uploads: 0	Bismarck. Technologically she is superior in all aspects to the IJN Yamato and USN Arizona. One exception: Her RADAR equipment is inferior to the Arizona's (assuming Arizona would have been refit with updated technology). Bismarck's armour plate is superior to American Class "A" plate by a rather significant amount and her gunnery is superlative. As a battleship, the KM Bismarck is the terror of the seas. By the by... why no Royal Navy option? RN had some pretty fierce battlewagons armoured with some very good ("CA," cemented armour) plate, even superior to what Bismarck was protected by. __________________ Winter Garden on the North Atlantic Currently: U128 (Type IXC), U180 (Type IXD2), U198 (Type IXD2) operating in the I.O. Previously: U48 (Type VIIB), U568 (Type VIIC) [Completed 1940-1945 career in Type VIIs, in the Atlantic] Running: SH3 v1.4b w/ GWX 2.1

12-22-07, 09:32 PM	#7
K-9 Swabbie Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 5 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Battle ships. The Arizona was a sister to the USS Texas, Both were built for WWI and were small enough to survive the "Washington Treaty" Limiting battleship size and production. Had the Arizona not been sunk at pearl harbor it would have likly been scrapped in 43 to build something else. Name the only 3 battle in which Battle ships enguaged each other as they were ment too.

12-22-07, 09:05 PM	#3
CaptainNemo12 Frogman Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 307 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	What happened to the Iowa class?:hmm:

12-23-07, 12:18 AM	#9
kiwi_2005 Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aeoteroa Posts: 7,382 Downloads: 223 Uploads: 1	Yamato for me, Bismark and Arizona come an equal 2nd. Has anyone seen that CG documentary from HBO on the fate of the Yamato. Brilliant how they did it I watched it on Stage6 awhile back. A must see. __________________ RIP kiwi_2005 Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others.

12-23-07, 02:45 AM	#10
BulSoldier Samurai Navy Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Burgas/Bulgaria Posts: 550 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 0	IJN Yamato has the bigest guns ever but it showed the key weakness to every battleship(funny all of these BB had been sunk or damaged criticaly by airplane). May be the bismark would win here simply because she had short but glamorous carrier. __________________ By the hour !

12-23-07, 03:12 AM	#11
K-9 Swabbie Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 5 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Answers Ok First time the BBs met in battle was during the Chrimean war. The russians had a bunch of mixed gun dreadnaughts, the Japs had the more modern big gun only BBs, the Japs mopped the Ruskies butts. 2nd Battle of Jutland WWI. The Germans, though vastly outnumbered and outgunned, managed to out manuver the British battle fleet, scoring some very serious hits. The Brits had not armored the decks of thier BB's and as a result suffered a couple of very serious hits. The Germans however would never sortie thier fleet again for the entire war and thier ships would later be scuttled in Scapa Flow after the war. Final time was Seriguia Straight. This was really the only time in wich BBs of similar size and class met in a battle that had meaning, and outcome. The US Admiral managed to cross the T against the Japs, bringing all of the US guns to bear, and as a result inflicted heavy damage and turned the Jap fleet. From 1890-1943 World navies consider the BBs the ultimate superweapon, even when faced with OVERWHELMING evidence that it was unlikely that the BBs would ever be used for thier intended purpose, and that they were vunerable to both plunging fire from BBs as well as smaller ships with large calibre guns, and Air attack. The Washington Treaty that limited the Size and construction of BBs prior to WWII was an attempt to stop an arms race between the US and Britian. It has been said that the Washington Treatie may have adversly affected both the US, and British Navies at the start of WWII, but it also likely prevented a war between the US and Briton in 1930. I know you didnt ask, but thought you might be intrested. As far as my favorite BB. I would go with the Fairy Swordfish.

12-23-07, 05:02 AM	#12
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	Bismark for threat, Yamoto for looks, would have gone one of the Queen Elizabeth class rather than the Arizona for mine.

12-23-07, 05:06 AM	#13
Mush Martin Eternal Patrol Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,398 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	on this we disagree Tarjak imho bismarks greatest strength was "spin" measured against her contemporaries she was not as capable a ship. far and away the Best overall BB in WWII and history is the USN Iowa Class. bismarks rep far outwieghed her combat power. she wasnt the most powerful battleship in the world at the time she sailed. She was sold as that to the brits by churchill who overemphasized her threat as a naval unit to put priority on her destruction as a commerce raider. but in direct comparison she doesnt stand up. M __________________ RIP Mush Tutorial

12-23-07, 05:20 AM	#14
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	Mush, I said threat not strength. In this I was taking into account her "rep" which was a far greater part of her power than most of her other attributes. No other ship was as hunted, except maybe Tirpitz, but she was never really used to her full potential either. I agree the Iowa class was probably the most powerfull to sail.