Powell Urges Gitmo Closure

Heibges · 06-11-07, 03:25 PM

From the BBC
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6739745.stm

From MSNBC
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19153972/

Slightly different focus from Fox
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,280457,00.html

The Avon Lady · 06-11-07, 03:32 PM

They can move in with Paris. :p

06-11-07, 04:30 PM

I'm with Colin on this one...
Guantanamo should be closed and not opened again!

Chock · 06-11-07, 04:32 PM

How much make up does Colin Powell have on in that picture on the first link?!!

He looks like he's made out of foam rubber in that shot (compare his face with his hands).

Chock

06-11-07, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Chock

How much make up does Colin Powell have on in that picture on the first link?!!

He looks like he's made out of foam rubber in that shot (compare his face with his hands).

Chock

You mean his lipstick?

Happy Times · 06-11-07, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

They can move in with Paris. :p

You are sadistic..

06-11-07, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Times

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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

They can move in with Paris. :p

You are sadistic..

I wouldn't complain....

robbo180265 · 06-11-07, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

They can move in with Paris. :p

HILTON - I get it! I thought you were having a go at the French

Jokes aside, if they did move in with Paris at least then they'd have the right to defend themselves

"Essentially, we have shaken the belief the world had in America's justice system by keeping a place like Guantanamo open and creating things like the military commission."

I couldn't agree more.

06-11-07, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by robbo180265

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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

They can move in with Paris. :p

HILTON - I get it! I thought you were having a go at the French

Jokes aside, if they did move in with Paris at least then they'd have the right to defend themselves

"Essentially, we have shaken the belief the world had in America's justice system by keeping a place like Guantanamo open and creating things like the military commission."

I couldn't agree more.

This isn't a legal issue. Its a war issue. We treated attacks on the US as a legal issue under the previous administration and for our efforts the attacks on the WTC occured. A change in policy is both needed and appropriate.

Heibges · 06-11-07, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by waste gate

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Originally Posted by robbo180265

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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

They can move in with Paris. :p

HILTON - I get it! I thought you were having a go at the French

Jokes aside, if they did move in with Paris at least then they'd have the right to defend themselves

"Essentially, we have shaken the belief the world had in America's justice system by keeping a place like Guantanamo open and creating things like the military commission."

I couldn't agree more.

This isn't a legal issue. Its a war issue. We treated attacks on the US as a legal issue under the previous administration and for our efforts the attacks on the WTC occured. A change in policy is both needed and appropriate.

I almost agree. I think it is an intelligence issue, and not a military issue.

robbo180265 · 06-11-07, 05:57 PM

But surely you can see that innocent people could get detained by mistake,and if that happens America can hardly stand for "Truth and Justice" can it?

"Essentially, we have shaken the belief the world had in America's justice system by keeping a place like Guantanamo open and creating things like the military commission."

That's exactly right.

Ok America isn't sawing the heads off it's captives,but it's not exactly treating them as a civilised society should either IMO.

tenakha · 06-11-07, 06:37 PM

Everyone should have the right to a fair trial, every man is innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around...

06-11-07, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by robbo180265

But surely you can see that innocent people could get detained by mistake,and if that happens America can hardly stand for "Truth and Justice" can it?

"Essentially, we have shaken the belief the world had in America's justice system by keeping a place like Guantanamo open and creating things like the military commission."

That's exactly right.

Ok America isn't sawing the heads off it's captives,but it's not exactly treating them as a civilised society should either IMO.

That we discuss the issue says we are treating those in GTMO in a civilized manner. If the US had rejected the ideal of "Truth and Justice" the GTMO detainees would be dead. No one would have know they even existed. End of the discussion.

By contrast look at Germany, the Soviet Union, Argentina. Not 'til after the fact is any discussion existant.

06-11-07, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by waste gate

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Originally Posted by robbo180265

But surely you can see that innocent people could get detained by mistake,and if that happens America can hardly stand for "Truth and Justice" can it?

"Essentially, we have shaken the belief the world had in America's justice system by keeping a place like Guantanamo open and creating things like the military commission."

That's exactly right.

Ok America isn't sawing the heads off it's captives,but it's not exactly treating them as a civilised society should either IMO.

That we discuss the issue says we are treating those in GTMO in a civilized manner. If the US had rejected the ideal of "Truth and Justice" the GTMO detainees would be dead. No one would have know they even existed. End of the discussion.

By contrast look at Germany, the Soviet Union, Argentina. Not 'til after the fact is any discussion existant.

Some represent it as a hotel with 5 stars...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1766037.stm

06-11-07, 06:49 PM

Here's the vacation for ya, fellas:

So much for human right at camp delta...

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06-11-07, 04:30 PM	#3
GakunGak Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I'm with Colin on this one... Guantanamo should be closed and not opened again!

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Chock Sea Lord Join Date: May 2005 Location: Under a thermal layer in chilly Olde England Posts: 1,842 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	How much make up does Colin Powell have on in that picture on the first link?!! He looks like he's made out of foam rubber in that shot (compare his face with his hands). Chock

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robbo180265 Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Brighton, England.Party capital of the south Posts: 2,255 Downloads: 126 Uploads: 0	But surely you can see that innocent people could get detained by mistake,and if that happens America can hardly stand for "Truth and Justice" can it? "Essentially, we have shaken the belief the world had in America's justice system by keeping a place like Guantanamo open and creating things like the military commission." That's exactly right. Ok America isn't sawing the heads off it's captives,but it's not exactly treating them as a civilised society should either IMO.

06-11-07, 06:49 PM	#15
GakunGak Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Here's the vacation for ya, fellas: So much for human right at camp delta...