playing war

ichso · 06-07-07, 10:05 AM

Hi,
I just stumbled upon one of the most interesting threads so far, having read a LOT at this board

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...t=96988&page=1

Just wanted to add something, but the thread seems to be already closed.

Because most of the answers there had gone in a different direction than I was searching for.
My question would be more in general the morale question of war sims. I would nobody here judge anyone for enjoying playing a nazi-soldier, nor would I do in the case of any other ww2 sim.
The politics behind that aside, I think the thing is more about being able to phase anything out which has to do with killing (in case of SH3 mostly innocent) people and just concentrate on the technical aspects of the war and it's machinery.

I've read that e.g. Falcon 4.0 (this Korea-war flightsim) was supported by the U.S. Airforce (maybe through giving the needed details to make it as realistic as possible - again only the technical aspect). So this had the good side effect for the USAF that a good light was thrown onto itself by creating a nice flying adventure with a complex and well simulated gameplay.

No, this is not the exact same point about SH, but it is a very similar schema I think. Just shipping around a bit, enjoying the sunrise, watching dolphins and from time to time shooting some cargo ships.

It's the whole thing, talking just about 'tonnage' (or as the germans called it back then: 'Schiffsraum') and forgetting about people who have to suffer from it.
And I know, this is just a game, nobody should take those things he plays too seriously, but in fact one just repeats those euphemisms usual war propaganda uses still today.

his is what makes me think, not those stupid, old let-them-rot-in-hell-Nazis from back then, with their stuffed dummy with the funny mustache, shouting some brain-out parols at a stadium full of people -.-

BTW: As sordid, I'm german too, having played subsims since I was 13(?), was about Wolfpack and Silent Service II back then

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I enjoyed SH3 very much, got by concerns described above with that and tried to stay away from this WW2 stuff and such.

A few month ago I came back, just wanted to sail a bit more over a beautifully rendered sea, watching seaguls, and I again ended up shooting harmless freighters and getting chased by DDs. Just couldn't resist

So I'm really not here to judge anybody, just wanted the to here what the rest of think about that, when playing sh3. (The thread from sordid just didn't ask the question I was looking for).

greets, fp
(I wrote way too much, hope anyone has time to read...)

06-07-07, 10:05 AM	#1
ichso Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Germany's oldest city alive Posts: 1,066 Downloads: 57 Uploads: 0	playing war Hi, I just stumbled upon one of the most interesting threads so far, having read a LOT at this board http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...t=96988&page=1 Just wanted to add something, but the thread seems to be already closed. Because most of the answers there had gone in a different direction than I was searching for. My question would be more in general the morale question of war sims. I would nobody here judge anyone for enjoying playing a nazi-soldier, nor would I do in the case of any other ww2 sim. The politics behind that aside, I think the thing is more about being able to phase anything out which has to do with killing (in case of SH3 mostly innocent) people and just concentrate on the technical aspects of the war and it's machinery. I've read that e.g. Falcon 4.0 (this Korea-war flightsim) was supported by the U.S. Airforce (maybe through giving the needed details to make it as realistic as possible - again only the technical aspect). So this had the good side effect for the USAF that a good light was thrown onto itself by creating a nice flying adventure with a complex and well simulated gameplay. No, this is not the exact same point about SH, but it is a very similar schema I think. Just shipping around a bit, enjoying the sunrise, watching dolphins and from time to time shooting some cargo ships. It's the whole thing, talking just about 'tonnage' (or as the germans called it back then: 'Schiffsraum') and forgetting about people who have to suffer from it. And I know, this is just a game, nobody should take those things he plays too seriously, but in fact one just repeats those euphemisms usual war propaganda uses still today. his is what makes me think, not those stupid, old let-them-rot-in-hell-Nazis from back then, with their stuffed dummy with the funny mustache, shouting some brain-out parols at a stadium full of people -.- BTW: As sordid, I'm german too, having played subsims since I was 13(?), was about Wolfpack and Silent Service II back then . I enjoyed SH3 very much, got by concerns described above with that and tried to stay away from this WW2 stuff and such. A few month ago I came back, just wanted to sail a bit more over a beautifully rendered sea, watching seaguls, and I again ended up shooting harmless freighters and getting chased by DDs. Just couldn't resist So I'm really not here to judge anybody, just wanted the to here what the rest of think about that, when playing sh3. (The thread from sordid just didn't ask the question I was looking for). greets, fp (I wrote way too much, hope anyone has time to read...)