GWX - Sub looks too new... good skins??

ryanwigginton · 05-17-07, 10:26 AM

I'm new to modding this baby. Just tried GWX today -very impressive. Only thing is my sub looks way too new and shiney... Any realistic skin recommendations would be appreciated.

Penelope_Grey · 05-17-07, 10:28 AM

Its kind of the truth, when the U-boats set sail originally they did look new and shiny.

ryanwigginton · 05-17-07, 10:39 AM

I'm not convinced!

Marko_Ramius · 05-17-07, 10:53 AM

hi,

First time i lunch GWX, i was thinkink almost the same than you. Take a look here :

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=88849

I use one of Fubar's Skin for my VII/C ; It's pretty good IMO.

danlisa · 05-17-07, 10:56 AM

There has been much debate about the general repair and appearance of the U-boats & the best that we can come up with is........

When they returned to port, they were stripped & repainted to look as new.
Conversely, when the IX boats returned from thier long patrols, they were indeed 'weathered' but unlikely to be rusty.

Now, there is no allowance within SH3 to have your skin change mid-patrol so, each to their own.

You can find, arguably the best skins in this thread - http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=88849

If you can be bothered, you can find mine for the IX series.

JScones · 05-18-07, 03:07 AM

The assertion that operational U-boats were regularly overhauled and repainted is supported in a recorded conversation between German sailors in captivity, as published in Black May by Michael Gannon (Aurum Press, 1998) –

Radioman from the surface tanker Germania: Is a boat [U-boat] painted each time it sails?
Spitz [U-boat sailor]: Yes, scraped and repainted.
Kalisch [Second U-boat sailor]: Strelow’s boat [U 435] once came back entirely covered with rust; he had been out for twelve or thirteen weeks. The whole boat was a reddish-brown.

(extract from "Kriegsmarine U-Boat Colours & Markings" by Dougie Martindale)

Kpt. Lehmann · 05-18-07, 03:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ryanwigginton

I'm not convinced!

Tough noogies!

Sorry mate. Your post made me laugh. Thank you.

If you read the other posts here... and namely JScones'... the boats were painted rather often for the better part of the war.

From what I can tell about navies the world over... They have a thing about painting...

"If it doesn't move... Paint it!!! If it moves... Paint it!!!"

No self-respecting naval officer would stand for it. (I so wanted to say... "would allow lint to remain in his belly button.")

Rust if allowed to spread, attacks the structural integrity of the boat... bit by bit.

Rust is an enemy of the boat unto itself... and the boat protects you from the vastness of the ocean.

Rust must die.

Now other weathering is present on those U-boat skins incl in GWX.

Now all that being said, occasional heavy-ish rust and/or weathering sometimes happened... and so those skins are "realistic" too... but I find that this is generally the exception as opposed to the rule.

All of Fubar's skins are cool. We went with the standard greys in GWX for the sake of consistency and overall/majority historical accuracy.

Chock · 05-18-07, 03:33 AM

There are several repaints available ryan, in fact there is one of the first repaints ever done for SH3 by 'yours truly' for the VII available on the Subsim SH3 Downloads page, and still quite a nice one I think.

Whilst it is certainly true that repainting meant that there were often not so many rusty boats about as many people might think, one of the reasons I did that repaint you can find on the SH3 DL page, is not to emulate the rust, but to emulate the skin rippling that well-used Atlantic boats ended up with, which they carried even when repainted.

Have a look around, there are plenty of repainted skins available, and one might be what suits your tastes, but there's nothing wrong with a shiny boat in my opinion. Of course after being battered in the Atlantic for many weeks, most boats are going to pick up some rust, but remember that the Kriegsmarine submariners were an elite force, they would not have been content to ride around in a rusty bucket for long, especially when their lives depended on that boat.

Chock

joea · 05-18-07, 03:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

No self-respecting naval officer would stand for it. (I so wanted to say... "would allow lint to remain in his belly button.")

Rust if allowed to spread, attacks the structural integrity of the boat... bit by bit.

Rust is an enemy of the boat unto itself... and the boat protects you from the vastness of the ocean.

Rust must die.

I think you just did.

Anyway, my Dad worked at dockyards in Halifax and St. John's and yes, ships don't allow rust to build up...those that do, for example some fishing boats from the Baltic republics or Russia in the 1990s were sad sad boats. Dad said even the Captain of one ship looked poor and hungry and the vessels were actually horribly unsafe.

ryanwigginton · 05-18-07, 04:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

Quote:

Originally Posted by ryanwigginton

I'm not convinced!

Tough noogies!

Sorry mate. Your post made me laugh. Thank you.

If you read the other posts here... and namely JScones'... the boats were painted rather often for the better part of the war.

From what I can tell about navies the world over... They have a thing about painting...

"If it doesn't move... Paint it!!! If it moves... Paint it!!!"

No self-respecting naval officer would stand for it. (I so wanted to say... "would allow lint to remain in his belly button.")

Rust if allowed to spread, attacks the structural integrity of the boat... bit by bit.

Rust is an enemy of the boat unto itself... and the boat protects you from the vastness of the ocean.

Rust must die.

Now other weathering is present on those U-boat skins incl in GWX.

Now all that being said, occasional heavy-ish rust and/or weathering sometimes happened... and so those skins are "realistic" too... but I find that this is generally the exception as opposed to the rule.

All of Fubar's skins are cool. We went with the standard greys in GWX for the sake of consistency and overall/majority historical accuracy.

Well, thank you Kpt. Lehmann. Weathering with time on patrol would be ideal but I understand this can't be done. The other thing I would love to see in this or SH4 (which I've stopped playing for now) is the compartments filling with water. Would be a great tension builder.

Anyway, on a positive note, SH3 has new life after installing your 'uber' mod. The sound effects are spot on, and... I had this huge grin on my face when I fired my first GWX torpedo... brilliant!

SmokinTep · 05-18-07, 05:20 AM

All the SSN's up here in Groton usually get painted before going to sea. I am working on the USS Dallas right now and they just gave her a new paint job.

siber · 05-18-07, 05:25 AM

Does anyone know whether submarines have sacrificial anodes? I know that boats generally have these big blocks of zinc bolted to their hulls somewhere and the electrochemistry of rusting means that the zinc corrodes away first in preference to the steel. Then, when the zinc's all gone, simply bolt on a new block.

I know you still get surface rust on steel, but the anodes mean that it remains on the surface and doesn't eat into the bulk of the metal. I guess in u-boats, the anodes could have been attached to the pressure hull inside the water fairings (assuming the pressure hull is seperate of course)?

Kpt. Lehmann · 05-18-07, 05:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokinTep

All the SSN's up here in Groton usually get painted before going to sea. I am working on the USS Dallas right now and they just gave her a new paint job.

Lucky you.

I had a chance to go see her when she was comissioned here in Texas... but couldn't get away from work.

Kpt. Lehmann · 05-18-07, 05:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by siber

Does anyone know whether submarines have sacrificial anodes? I know that boats generally have these big blocks of zinc bolted to their hulls somewhere and the electrochemistry of rusting means that the zinc corrodes away first in preference to the steel. Then, when the zinc's all gone, simply bolt on a new block.

I know you still get surface rust on steel, but the anodes mean that it remains on the surface and doesn't eat into the bulk of the metal. I guess in u-boats, the anodes could have been attached to the pressure hull inside the water fairings (assuming the pressure hull is seperate of course)?

Good question. I don't know.:hmm:

SmokinTep · 05-18-07, 07:37 AM

Yup, the have zincs on em. Alot of them in the sail area.

05-17-07, 10:26 AM	#1
ryanwigginton Weps Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Nottinghamshire Posts: 368 Downloads: 68 Uploads: 0	GWX - Sub looks too new... good skins?? I'm new to modding this baby. Just tried GWX today -very impressive. Only thing is my sub looks way too new and shiney... Any realistic skin recommendations would be appreciated.

05-17-07, 10:28 AM	#2
Penelope_Grey Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: UK Posts: 1,893 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Its kind of the truth, when the U-boats set sail originally they did look new and shiny. __________________ I SURVIVED THE FIRST EVER SUBSIM WEREWOLF HUNT - and... I actually won the game for the humans too!

05-17-07, 10:56 AM	#5
danlisa Navy Seal Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cornwall, UK Posts: 5,499 Downloads: 45 Uploads: 1	There has been much debate about the general repair and appearance of the U-boats & the best that we can come up with is........ When they returned to port, they were stripped & repainted to look as new. Conversely, when the IX boats returned from thier long patrols, they were indeed 'weathered' but unlikely to be rusty. Now, there is no allowance within SH3 to have your skin change mid-patrol so, each to their own. You can find, arguably the best skins in this thread - http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=88849 If you can be bothered, you can find mine for the IX series. __________________

05-18-07, 03:33 AM	#8
Chock Sea Lord Join Date: May 2005 Location: Under a thermal layer in chilly Olde England Posts: 1,842 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	There are several repaints available ryan, in fact there is one of the first repaints ever done for SH3 by 'yours truly' for the VII available on the Subsim SH3 Downloads page, and still quite a nice one I think. Whilst it is certainly true that repainting meant that there were often not so many rusty boats about as many people might think, one of the reasons I did that repaint you can find on the SH3 DL page, is not to emulate the rust, but to emulate the skin rippling that well-used Atlantic boats ended up with, which they carried even when repainted. Have a look around, there are plenty of repainted skins available, and one might be what suits your tastes, but there's nothing wrong with a shiny boat in my opinion. Of course after being battered in the Atlantic for many weeks, most boats are going to pick up some rust, but remember that the Kriegsmarine submariners were an elite force, they would not have been content to ride around in a rusty bucket for long, especially when their lives depended on that boat. Chock Last edited by Chock; 05-18-07 at 03:51 AM.

05-17-07, 10:39 AM	#3
ryanwigginton Weps Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Nottinghamshire Posts: 368 Downloads: 68 Uploads: 0	I'm not convinced!

05-17-07, 10:53 AM	#4
Marko_Ramius Frogman Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Near Paris Posts: 303 Downloads: 113 Uploads: 0	hi, First time i lunch GWX, i was thinkink almost the same than you. Take a look here : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=88849 I use one of Fubar's Skin for my VII/C ; It's pretty good IMO.

05-18-07, 03:07 AM	#6
JScones Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 5,501 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	The assertion that operational U-boats were regularly overhauled and repainted is supported in a recorded conversation between German sailors in captivity, as published in Black May by Michael Gannon (Aurum Press, 1998) – Radioman from the surface tanker Germania: Is a boat [U-boat] painted each time it sails? Spitz [U-boat sailor]: Yes, scraped and repainted. Kalisch [Second U-boat sailor]: Strelow’s boat [U 435] once came back entirely covered with rust; he had been out for twelve or thirteen weeks. The whole boat was a reddish-brown. (extract from "Kriegsmarine U-Boat Colours & Markings" by Dougie Martindale)

05-18-07, 05:20 AM	#11
SmokinTep Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Suffolk, Virginia Posts: 1,027 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	All the SSN's up here in Groton usually get painted before going to sea. I am working on the USS Dallas right now and they just gave her a new paint job.

05-18-07, 05:25 AM	#12
siber Planesman Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Salford, Manchester, UK Posts: 182 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Does anyone know whether submarines have sacrificial anodes? I know that boats generally have these big blocks of zinc bolted to their hulls somewhere and the electrochemistry of rusting means that the zinc corrodes away first in preference to the steel. Then, when the zinc's all gone, simply bolt on a new block. I know you still get surface rust on steel, but the anodes mean that it remains on the surface and doesn't eat into the bulk of the metal. I guess in u-boats, the anodes could have been attached to the pressure hull inside the water fairings (assuming the pressure hull is seperate of course)?

05-18-07, 07:37 AM	#15
SmokinTep Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Suffolk, Virginia Posts: 1,027 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Yup, the have zincs on em. Alot of them in the sail area.