Battle of the Java Sea / Dutch Colonial Ports

Drebbel · 03-10-07, 01:07 AM

Does anyone know if the Battle of the Java Sea will be included ? I know I was always whining in the past that including major sea battles is useless, and a waiste of resources, in a SubSim, but now that some of them did make it into the game it would be great if this famous Dutch Sea Battle was included as well.

I was also wondering if anyone has seen pictures of any Dutch Colonial ports. Till now I have only seen screenies of ports in Japan or US home ground. I am really hoping they did not use Generic Ports for major naval stations like Surabaya and Tandjong Priok

fire-fox · 03-10-07, 02:30 AM

i think it is as it was a major turning point in the war wether any one agrese or not, plus im posetive that the devs menshiond something about dutch units being in the game.

Crosseye76 · 03-10-07, 03:04 AM

I have to admit, seeing the U.S.S. Houston "The galloping ghost of the Java coast", the De Ruyter, and the Java in their last action, along with the rest of the doomed ABDA ships would be interesting.

Drebbel · 03-10-07, 03:57 AM

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plus im posetive that the devs menshiond something about dutch units being in the game.

Any change you might remember the source or place for this info ?

Barkhorn1x · 03-10-07, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by fire-fox

i think it is as it was a major turning point in the war...

Yea, for the Japanese. :rotfl:

Seriously, I can understand you wanting it to be in - but the battle was just one more defeat in a string of defeats for the allies as Japan established their "Great East-Asian Co-prosperity Sphere" tm. It was hardly a turning point for anything.

You can always add one w/ some generic ship types anyway.

Mylander · 03-10-07, 11:50 AM

I would be very much in favor of seeing the major sea battles being included in a campaign, or even as single missions. I think it would add a lot to be out on patrol and receive/open orders like: proceed to grid coordinates xxxx for picket duty - a major enemy surface force is expected in this area on or about such and such a day. Elements of the seventh fleet are moving to engage - your mission is to locate the enemy surface units and report their strength, position, speed, course, etc. to higher HQ.

Eventually, you would (hopefully) be allowed to engage the ships yourself, once they had been fixed and engaged by friendly surface and air units.

Or, you could receive intel about a juicy target a la Archerfish - a new Japanese Carrier is expected to be performing sea trials in such and such an area on such and such a day - go get her.

Wasn't it Nautilus who put a fish into the side of Kaga when she was burning at Midway? Now that would be good. But yes, as interesting and heroic as the Java Sea Battle was, it was pretty one-sided and changed nothing. Just one more battle in a string of easy victories for the Japanese early on. The allies were outnumbered, outgunned, and ill-prepared for war in 1941. The Japanese were all-business at that point, and rolled over everything in their way for a while... As Yammamoto predicted. Then it all changed.

Mylander

fire-fox · 03-10-07, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Drebbel

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plus im posetive that the devs menshiond something about dutch units being in the game.

Any change you might remember the source or place for this info ?

i think it was in the ub! GT forums dev's answers post. 100% sertan thow

Drebbel · 03-11-07, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by fire-fox

i think it was in the ub! GT forums dev's answers post. 100% sertan thow

I searched that thread for the word "dutch" and "netherland" but found nothing

fire-fox · 03-11-07, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Drebbel

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Originally Posted by fire-fox

i think it was in the ub! GT forums dev's answers post. 100% sertan thow

I searched that thread for the word "dutch" and "netherland" but found nothing

sorry for sending you on a wild goose chase, could have sworn i saw something about "are the dutch fleets at java in" or what ever that acronime was and i thort that it got an answer on the uk dev's answer post over on UB!. gess it must have been in the questions for the devs post that got closed the other day..

03-10-07, 01:07 AM	#1
Drebbel Dutch Sea Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Almost at periscope death ! Posts: 1,665 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Battle of the Java Sea / Dutch Colonial Ports Does anyone know if the Battle of the Java Sea will be included ? I know I was always whining in the past that including major sea battles is useless, and a waiste of resources, in a SubSim, but now that some of them did make it into the game it would be great if this famous Dutch Sea Battle was included as well. I was also wondering if anyone has seen pictures of any Dutch Colonial ports. Till now I have only seen screenies of ports in Japan or US home ground. I am really hoping they did not use Generic Ports for major naval stations like Surabaya and Tandjong Priok

03-10-07, 02:30 AM	#2
fire-fox Chief Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Peoples Republic of West Yorkshire Posts: 326 Downloads: 70 Uploads: 0	i think it is as it was a major turning point in the war wether any one agrese or not, plus im posetive that the devs menshiond something about dutch units being in the game. __________________ Running subs aground since SH1 and Silent Service Running SH5 @ 100% difficulty + TWoS 2.2.19(RealNav + BDU + port smoke + food) + Carotio_IntercontinentalRadioPack tweaked + The Little Ships of SH5 - Coaster Pack

03-10-07, 03:04 AM	#3
Crosseye76 Lieutenant Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 258 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I have to admit, seeing the U.S.S. Houston "The galloping ghost of the Java coast", the De Ruyter, and the Java in their last action, along with the rest of the doomed ABDA ships would be interesting. __________________ There are only two kinds of ships. Submarines and Targets.

03-10-07, 11:50 AM	#6
Mylander Torpedoman Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: New Bern, NC, USA Posts: 120 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 0	Idea I would be very much in favor of seeing the major sea battles being included in a campaign, or even as single missions. I think it would add a lot to be out on patrol and receive/open orders like: proceed to grid coordinates xxxx for picket duty - a major enemy surface force is expected in this area on or about such and such a day. Elements of the seventh fleet are moving to engage - your mission is to locate the enemy surface units and report their strength, position, speed, course, etc. to higher HQ. Eventually, you would (hopefully) be allowed to engage the ships yourself, once they had been fixed and engaged by friendly surface and air units. Or, you could receive intel about a juicy target a la Archerfish - a new Japanese Carrier is expected to be performing sea trials in such and such an area on such and such a day - go get her. Wasn't it Nautilus who put a fish into the side of Kaga when she was burning at Midway? Now that would be good. But yes, as interesting and heroic as the Java Sea Battle was, it was pretty one-sided and changed nothing. Just one more battle in a string of easy victories for the Japanese early on. The allies were outnumbered, outgunned, and ill-prepared for war in 1941. The Japanese were all-business at that point, and rolled over everything in their way for a while... As Yammamoto predicted. Then it all changed. Mylander __________________ Periscope depth... Up Scope...