Hull under - Conning Tower on the surface

ook · 12-23-06, 06:24 AM

Is there any way to setup my sub into position: hull down (under water) but the coning tower is on the surface with watch crew? There should be an option like that.

BTW -> Merry Christmas to all of You... to all of us... and happy New Year!
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Von Taticus · 12-23-06, 06:33 AM

Yep,

See the link below.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=102530

ook · 12-23-06, 06:40 AM

Yes, i know that topic but you can't use deck gun in that position. I think that should be an order like: surface, periscope depth and hmm... flood the decks.

Jimbuna · 12-23-06, 06:42 AM

You can set your depth at 7/8 metres (decks awash)

bigboywooly · 12-23-06, 09:23 AM

If your watch crew are on deck then the guns are usable
UNLESS the weather is real bad then you cant

Hakahura · 12-23-06, 09:39 AM

Set Depth 7/8 meters. Works for me!

Oh, unless your driving a Dugout. If Type II is your thing, then set depth to 5/6meters. Any deeper and you end up running off batteries so you might as well go periscope depth.

Sailor Steve · 12-23-06, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ook

Yes, i know that topic but you can't use deck gun in that position. I think that should be an order like: surface, periscope depth and hmm... flood the decks.

They couldn't in real life. Decks awash means just that-the water is running over the deck. The loading hatch for the gun is in the deck. If you can shoot the gun, water can rush into the sub.

ook · 12-23-06, 01:06 PM

-> They couldn't in real life. Decks awash means just that-the water is running over the deck. The loading hatch for the gun is in the deck. If you can shoot the gun, water can rush into the sub. <-

Yeah, I know, but I really think that should be an options in game like: Surface (deck gun available, like now), Decks awash (only Coning tower is on the surface, deck gun not available), Depths (periscope, schnorchel, etc.). Maybe SH4 will have it.

FongFongFong · 12-23-06, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ook

-> They couldn't in real life. Decks awash means just that-the water is running over the deck. The loading hatch for the gun is in the deck. If you can shoot the gun, water can rush into the sub. <-

Yeah, I know, but I really think that should be an options in game like: Surface (deck gun available, like now), Decks awash (only Coning tower is on the surface, deck gun not available), Depths (periscope, schnorchel, etc.). Maybe SH4 will have it.

totally confused here

are you saying we need option 2
or are you saying we have option 2?

1 ) Surface (deck gun available, like now),
2 ) Decks awash (only Coning tower is on the surface, deck gun not available),
3 ) Depths (periscope, schnorchel, etc.)

or are you saying we have option 2 and we should not be able to use the deck gun?

Because 1, 2, 3 are available in GWX

Kpt. Lehmann · 12-23-06, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Quote:

Originally Posted by ook

Yes, i know that topic but you can't use deck gun in that position. I think that should be an order like: surface, periscope depth and hmm... flood the decks.

They couldn't in real life. Decks awash means just that-the water is running over the deck. The loading hatch for the gun is in the deck. If you can shoot the gun, water can rush into the sub.

Slight correction mate. The ready supply of ammunition was kept in watertight compartment(s) in the deck... The gun's ammo chute was in the conning tower... and used after the ready supply was exhausted.

At any rate, use of the gun while decks were awash was a dangerous proposition. Primarily for the men manning the gun.

Sailor Steve · 12-23-06, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

Slight correction mate. The ready supply of ammunition was kept in watertight compartment(s) in the deck... The gun's ammo chute was in the conning tower... and used after the ready supply was exhausted.

At any rate, use of the gun while decks were awash was a dangerous proposition. Primarily for the men manning the gun.

So only the ready use would be flooded at decks awash? And as for the chute being in the conning tower, wouldn't it open to a door at deck level? I'm sure they didn't pass it down from the bridge.

Now I'm less arguing and more confused.

Kpt. Lehmann · 12-23-06, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

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Originally Posted by Kpt. Lehmann

Slight correction mate. The ready supply of ammunition was kept in watertight compartment(s) in the deck... The gun's ammo chute was in the conning tower... and used after the ready supply was exhausted.

At any rate, use of the gun while decks were awash was a dangerous proposition. Primarily for the men manning the gun.

So only the ready use would be flooded at decks awash? And as for the chute being in the conning tower, wouldn't it open to a door at deck level? I'm sure they didn't pass it down from the bridge.

Now I'm less arguing and more confused.

The ammo chute (when present) was not at deck level... it was (IIRC) roughly shoulder height up on the con. Rounds were passed partway up the con. (exactly how far I don't recall... to wherever the cute feed was.)

Also, if manning the gun when decks awash... it would stand to reason that they may not bother with the ready ammo stash.

Another detail... (please use as desired LOL) IIRC the the rounds wherever they were stored... were stored in waxed tubes to repel seawater. (of course this does not guarantee eventual contamination)

Sailor Steve · 12-26-06, 01:16 PM

I'll try a different tack: The main points of decks awash are to lessen the chance of being seen and facilitate dive times. Using the deck gun seems to be contrary to both of those. If using the deck gun when decks awash it would probably be realistic to not push the dive button until at least 30 seconds after you were spotted by an escort, remembering that in real life you would also be running on batteries.

Now, how many recorded instances are there of a submarine using the deck gun while running decks awash?

FIREWALL · 12-26-06, 03:07 PM

Hi All Merry Xmas

Is there a hotkey for decks awash or do you do it manually with mouse cursor and depth gauge in GWX?

Jimbuna · 12-26-06, 07:12 PM

'Manually'...set your depth to 7 or 8 metres

and a merry xmas to you

12-23-06, 06:24 AM	#1
ook Seaman Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Poland Posts: 38 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	Hull under - Conning Tower on the surface Is there any way to setup my sub into position: hull down (under water) but the coning tower is on the surface with watch crew? There should be an option like that. BTW -> Merry Christmas to all of You... to all of us... and happy New Year! Fröhliche Weihnachten und ein glückliches Neues Jahr!

12-23-06, 06:33 AM	#2
Von Taticus A-ganger Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Wales, UK Posts: 71 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	Yep, See the link below. http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=102530 __________________ (member of the realism police) ... The enemy is pinging us sir ...

12-23-06, 06:42 AM	#4
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,500 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	You can set your depth at 7/8 metres (decks awash) __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

12-23-06, 09:23 AM	#5
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	If your watch crew are on deck then the guns are usable UNLESS the weather is real bad then you cant __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

12-23-06, 09:39 AM	#6
Hakahura Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland Posts: 785 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Set Depth 7/8 meters. Works for me! Oh, unless your driving a Dugout. If Type II is your thing, then set depth to 5/6meters. Any deeper and you end up running off batteries so you might as well go periscope depth. __________________ Sir Humphey Appleby, GCB, KBE, MVO and MA. Britain's Greatest Orator, well bar that Churchill fellow.

12-23-06, 06:40 AM	#3
ook Seaman Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Poland Posts: 38 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	Yes, i know that topic but you can't use deck gun in that position. I think that should be an order like: surface, periscope depth and hmm... flood the decks.

12-23-06, 01:06 PM	#8
ook Seaman Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Poland Posts: 38 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	-> They couldn't in real life. Decks awash means just that-the water is running over the deck. The loading hatch for the gun is in the deck. If you can shoot the gun, water can rush into the sub. <- Yeah, I know, but I really think that should be an options in game like: Surface (deck gun available, like now), Decks awash (only Coning tower is on the surface, deck gun not available), Depths (periscope, schnorchel, etc.). Maybe SH4 will have it.

12-26-06, 01:16 PM	#13
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	I'll try a different tack: The main points of decks awash are to lessen the chance of being seen and facilitate dive times. Using the deck gun seems to be contrary to both of those. If using the deck gun when decks awash it would probably be realistic to not push the dive button until at least 30 seconds after you were spotted by an escort, remembering that in real life you would also be running on batteries. Now, how many recorded instances are there of a submarine using the deck gun while running decks awash? __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

12-26-06, 03:07 PM	#14
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	Hi All Merry Xmas Is there a hotkey for decks awash or do you do it manually with mouse cursor and depth gauge in GWX? __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

12-26-06, 07:12 PM	#15
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,500 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	'Manually'...set your depth to 7 or 8 metres and a merry xmas to you __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!