[Shadriss]

Submarines Once, Submarines Twice, eh, Senior?

Totally agree with Shipkiller. Regardless of the flag flown over the hull, a submariner is a submariner. I was in the fleet when the KURSK went down, and the Bangor area held a Bell-Ringing for their crew within days of the event. I shudder to think about the crew aboard her, or the ones aboard the two Indian KILOs that all but exploded next to the pier; they get the same emotions I get for those on the SAN FRANCISCO, the HARTFORD, the NEWPORT NEWS or any other US sub that has ever been in an incident.

Kapitan, if I gave the impression I thought everything US was better than everything Russian, I will apologize for that, cause it certainly wasn't my intention. As you say - there are things that both sides excelled at. I had a Chief who said that had there been a war, it would have been Quality vs Quantity... and that Quantity has a Quality of it's own. I'm just as glad it never got to that point.